Macedonia Greece The Land of Legends

Macedonian identity is part of the identity of every single Greek citizen and we will not negotiate on that

2009-12-19T06:33:00.000-08:00

Source :Morden Macedonian History

.......Greek Deputy Foreign Minister Dimitris Droutsas said in an interview at "Proto Thema" newspaper.

Also Mr Droutsas points out that official Athens insists on negotiations only on the name and thinks that it is a mistake to add issues connected only to the language and identity in the negotiations as the Macedonian identity belongs to every single Greek citizen.

Greece will require amendments to the Constitution of formeR Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia(FYROM) so as to realize the formula for a common name for international use. This is the position expressed by Droutsas, who as if covered the Greek red line with concrete.

UN mediator Matthew Nimetz shouldn’t have added the rest of the issues in this proposal in 2005 but the worse thing was that the previous Greek government of PM Kostas Karamanlis agreed to discuss them, Droutsas remarked.

Whole interview in this link.

1801 – the name ‘Macedonians’ of course identified Greeks

2009-12-18T05:19:00.000-08:00

source :History-of-macedonia.com

From the Monthly Magazine or British Register of 1801

It is evident that in the early 1800’s in the AustroHungarian Empire the name Macedonian was applied of course for Greeks.

Οι «ωρολογιακές βόμβες» των Βαλκανίων

2009-12-15T10:03:00.000-08:00

του Γιώργου Δελαστίκ

Ένα καινούριο σύνθημα για τα Βαλκάνια κυκλοφορεί εσχάτως στην ΕΕ: ένταξη των υπόλοιπων χωρών στην ευρωπαϊκή ολοκλήρωση έως την 1η Αυγούστου 2014. Από διαφημιστικής πλευράς, είναι ένα εύστοχο μήνυμα, καθώς τότε συμπληρώνονται ακριβώς εκατό χρόνια από το ξέσπασμα του Πρώτου Παγκοσμίου Πολέμου, με τη δολοφονία του αρχιδούκα της Αυστρίας Φερδινάνδου στο Σαράγιεβο της Βοσνίας.

Από πολιτική σκοπιά όμως, αυτό το σλόγκαν δεν έχει καμιά σχέση με την πραγματικότητα. Με την υποκριτική αισιοδοξία του συγκαλύπτει τις πολλαπλές, επικίνδυνες κρίσεις που υποβόσκουν στις περισσότερες από τις υποψήφιες προς ένταξη χώρες και τις καθιστούν αντικειμενικά ακατάλληλες να αποτελέσουν μέλη της ΕΕ πριν λυθούν τα προβλήματα που συνδέονται με αυτές.

Με εξαίρεση την Κροατία, η οποία ούτως ή άλλως θα ενταχθεί στους «27» το πολύ σε μία διετία, και το μικροσκοπικό Μαυροβούνιο, το οποίο δεν θα αντιμετωπίσει προβλήματα, όλες οι υπόλοιπες περιπτώσεις βαλκανικών χωρών είναι πολύ προβληματικές.

Τρία κράτη που… δεν θα υπάρχουν!

Το κορυφαίο ζήτημα είναι ότι πρώτα απ’ όλα στα Βαλκάνια υπάρχουν αυτή τη στιγμή τρία κράτη εμφανώς μεταβατικού χαρακτήρα, τα οποία είναι εξαιρετικά απίθανο να συνεχίσουν μακροπρόθεσμα να υφίστανται ως αυτοτελείς κρατικές οντότητες. Πρόκειται για τη Βοσνία, την ΠΓΔΜ και το Κόσοβο.

Και στις τρεις περιπτώσεις, η ΕΕ και οι ΗΠΑ χρησιμοποίησαν ασφυκτικές πολιτικές πιέσεις για να υποχρεώσουν σε αναγκαστική συμβίωση λαούς που αρνούνται να συμβιώσουν. Στις περιπτώσεις, μάλιστα, της Βοσνίας και του Κοσόβου χρησιμοποιήθηκε η στρατιωτική βία των ΗΠΑ και του ΝΑΤΟ για να επιβληθεί επί των Σέρβων ο σχηματισμός των δύο κρατών.

«Η κατάσταση στην περιοχή φαίνεται εξωτερικά ήρεμη, κάτω όμως από την επιφάνεια υπάρχει αναταραχή», σημειώνει σε μια πολύ ενδιαφέρουσα ολοσέλιδη ανάλυσή του ο απεσταλμένος στα Βαλκάνια της εβδομαδιαίας γερμανικής σοσιαλδημοκρατικής εφημερίδας Die Zeit. «Σε προέδρους και πρωθυπουργούς, σε πολιτικούς και φοιτητές, σε πολίτες και στρατιωτικούς των διεθνών δυνάμεων, σε όλους, παρατηρούσε κανείς την ανησυχία ότι η πρώην Γιουγκοσλαβία δεν έχει ακόμη βρει την τελική μορφή της», τόνιζε.

«Ο πόλεμος δεν τελείωσε ακόμη, απλώς δεν πέφτουν πια πυροβολισμοί», του είπε χαρακτηριστικά ο Ντάβορ Βούλετιτς, σύμβουλος επί θεμάτων εξωτερικής πολιτικής του προέδρου των Μουσουλμάνων της Βοσνίας Χάρις Σίλαντζιτς.

«Πρόκειται για ατελή κράτη», κατέληγε στο συμπέρασμα ο Γερμανός δημοσιογράφος, υπογραμμίζοντας ότι «τα Βαλκάνια προσφέρουν σήμερα ελάχιστες αφορμές για αισιοδοξία, καθώς το καθένα από αυτά τα ατελή κράτη είναι μια ωρολογιακή βόμβα»!

Μίσος Σλάβων – Αλβανών στην ΠΓΔΜ

Η δικαιολογημένη εστίαση της προσοχής των Ελλήνων στην επίλυση του προβλήματος της ονομασίας της ΠΓΔΜ έχει οδηγήσει σε μια αδικαιολόγητη παραμέληση παρακολούθησης του θεμελιώδους προβλήματος αυτής της χώρας – της απροθυμίας της μεγάλης αλβανικής μειονότητας, που υπερβαίνει το ένα τέταρτο του πληθυσμού της χώρας, να συνεχίσει να ζει υπό την πολιτική, οικονομική και κοινωνική κυριαρχία της σλαβικής πλειοψηφίας. Η οξύτητα της αντιπαράθεσης Σλάβων – Αλβανών είναι πολύ σοβαρότερη από όσο φανταζόμαστε.

«Οι Αλβανοί ουδέποτε αναγνώρισαν πλήρη νομιμότητα στο μακεδονικό κράτος», γράφει η γαλλική Monde diplomatique και συνεχίζει την πολύ ενδιαφέρουσα ανάλυσή της: «Οι Αλβανοί [της ΠΓΔΜ] δεν βρίσκουν καμιά έλξη σε ένα μικρό απομονωμένο κράτος, το οποίο αρέσκεται να εξυμνεί το μεγαλείο των κατά φαντασίαν αρχαίων προγόνων του. Προδιατεθειμένοι καθώς είναι να αμφισβητούν τη νομιμότητα αυτού του κράτους, θα μπορούσαν και αυτοί επίσης να υποχωρήσουν εκ νέου στις σειρήνες του εθνικισμού, πόσω μάλλον που η ανακήρυξη της ανεξαρτησίας του Κοσόβου ξαναρχίζει τη συζήτηση για μια τελική αλβανική εθνική ενοποίηση», υπογραμμίζει η σοβαρή γαλλική εφημερίδα.

Έχει απόλυτο δίκιο. Οι Αλβανοί της ΠΓΔΜ δεν έχουν άλλο εθνικό στόχο από την τελική απόσπαση των εδαφών τους και την ένωσή τους με την Αλβανία και το Κόσοβο, στο πλαίσιο μιας ενιαίας εθνικής εστίας, ενός ενιαίου κράτους για ολόκληρο το αλβανικό έθνος.

Η ομολογία των πρωταγωνιστών

Την αδυναμία μακροπρόθεσμης συμβίωσης Σλάβων και Αλβανών κατοίκων της ΠΓΔΜ δεν τη διαπιστώνουν όμως μόνο οι ξένοι οξυδερκείς αναλυτές. Την ομολογούν ευθέως και οι ίδιοι οι πρωταγωνιστές.

«Η πολιτική τύφλωση αυτών που μας κυβερνούν και η ανικανότητά τους να αντλήσουν μαθήματα από το παρελθόν διευρύνουν καθημερινά το χάσμα που χωρίζει τις δύο κύριες κοινότητες της χώρας», υποστηρίζει ευθέως το σλαβικό εβδομαδιαίο περιοδικό Globus των Σκοπίων, το οποίο πρόσκειται στη σοσιαλδημοκρατική αντιπολίτευση.

Καταγγέλλει το κόμμα του πρωθυπουργού Γκρούεφσκι ότι «είναι αποτελματωμένο στην εξύμνηση του έθνους του και στην εφεύρεση ενός αρχαίου παρελθόντος», και καταλήγει στο σοβαρότατο συμπέρασμα: «Αυτή η πολιτική, η οποία είναι αντίθετη προς την αρχή της ανεκτικότητας και της ειρηνικής συμβίωσης, οδηγεί ευθέως σε μια ομοσπονδιοποίηση της χώρας και μάλιστα στη διάσπασή της»!

Με ακόμη πιο έντονο τρόπο εκφράζουν ανάλογα αισθήματα οι Αλβανοί της ΠΓΔΜ, όπως φαίνεται και σε ένα βαρυσήμαντο άρθρο της εφημερίδας Express του Κοσόβου.

«Υπέκυψε δυστυχώς στη δοκιμασία της πραγματικότητας η εμπειρία ενός ενιαίου μακεδονικού κράτους, το οποίο υποστήριξε με ενθουσιασμό η διεθνής κοινότητα», τονίζει η αλβανική εφημερίδα χωρίς περιστροφές και συνεχίζει: «Οι Αλβανοί περιχαρακώνονται όλο και περισσότερο στη ζώνη τους, στα δυτικά της Μακεδονίας. Όσο πιο πολύ αυτοδιαχειρίζονται τα εδάφη τους, τόσο πιο πολύ γίνονται μια εθνικά ομοιογενής οντότητα και τόσο περισσότερο απομακρύνονται οι Μακεδόνες προς τα ανατολικά της χώρας. Αυτές οι δύο κοινότητες δεν έχουν πλέον τα ίδια συμφέροντα… Θα καταλήξουμε με μία Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας θεωρητικά, αλλά στην πράξη με δύο διαφορετικές χώρες».

Δεν παραλείπει και η Express να στιγματίσει «το κόμπλεξ που ωθεί τους Μακεδόνες που βρίσκονται σε αναζήτηση εθνικής ταυτότητας να γίνονται εχθροί με την Ελλάδα, με τη Βουλγαρία και τελευταία με την Αλβανία».

Τι νόημα έχει, λοιπόν, η ένταξη στην ΕΕ μιας τέτοιας χώρας, όταν ακόμη και οι ίδιοι της οι κάτοικοι, Σλάβοι και Αλβανοί, βλέπουν χωριστό το μέλλον τους; Είναι προφανές ότι πρώτα πρέπει να κριθεί το ζήτημα της κρατικής υπόστασης της μεταβατικής ΠΓΔΜ, να δοθεί λύση στο θέμα της αλβανικής εθνικής ολοκλήρωσης που συμπεριλαμβάνει το μέλλον τόσο του Κοσόβου όσο και της ΠΓΔΜ, φυσικά και της Αλβανίας, και έπειτα να ενταχθούν αυτές οι τρεις χώρες στην ΕΕ σε συνάρτηση και με τη Σερβία, στην οποία οι Βρυξέλλες υπόσχονται ένταξη στην ΕΕ με βαρύτατο αντάλλαγμα την αποδοχή του ακρωτηριασμού του σερβικού κράτους με την απόσπαση του Κοσόβου.

«Η Βοσνία είναι μη βιώσιμη»

Πολιτικό παραλογισμό συνιστά και η συζήτηση για ένταξη της Βοσνίας στην ΕΕ. Πρόκειται για ένα κρατικό μόρφωμα – τερατούργημα που επέβαλαν οι Αμερικανοί και οι Ευρωπαίοι πριν από 15 χρόνια με τη Συνθήκη του Ντέιτον, το οποίο είναι αδύνατον να λειτουργήσει ως ενιαίο κράτος και όμως ΗΠΑ – ΕΕ επιμένουν πεισματικά και εκβιαστικά να μην επιτρέπουν τη φυσιολογική διάσπασή του.

Αντιθέτως, τώρα που στο Βελιγράδι υπάρχει πολιτική ηγεσία υποτελής στη Δύση, οι Ευρωπαίοι καταβάλλουν λυσσώδεις προσπάθειες να καταλύσουν ακόμη και την αυτονομία των δύο εθνικών κρατικών «οντοτήτων» που προβλέπει το Ντέιτον, τη σερβοβοσνιακή δημοκρατία από τη μια μεριά και την κροατομουσουλμανική ομοσπονδία από την άλλη. Επιδιώκουν να επιβάλουν ένα κράτος με ισχυρή κεντρική κυβέρνηση.

Με δεδομένο ότι οι Σερβοβόσνιοι, μετά τη φυγή εκατοντάδων χιλιάδων ομοεθνών τους προς τη Σερβία, έχουν απομείνει το 38% του πληθυσμού της Βοσνίας, αν αποδεχτούν την κατάλυση του κρατιδίου τους, θα υποδουλωθούν στην κρατομουσουλμανική πλειοψηφία. Λογικό είναι να ανθίστανται στον εξανδραποδισμό τους που επιδιώκουν ΗΠΑ και ΕΕ μέσω της επιβολής ενιαίου κράτους, με δόλωμα την ένταξη της Βοσνίας στην ευρωπαϊκή ολοκλήρωση.

Υπ’ αυτό το πρίσμα, οι Σερβοβόσνιοι αντιστάθηκαν στις διαπραγματεύσεις που συγκάλεσαν ΗΠΑ και ΕΕ τον περασμένο μήνα.

«Η Βοσνία είναι μια χώρα που δεν μπορεί να επιβιώσει», δήλωσε ο κάθε άλλο παρά σκληροτράχηλος Σερβοβόσνιος πρωθυπουργός Μίλοραντ Ντόντικ. «Εμείς παλεύουμε για να μην γίνει κάποια μέρα η Βοσνία-Ερζεγοβίνη μουσουλμανικό κράτος», πρόσθεσε.

«Γιατί να μην πούμε τα πράγματα με το όνομά τους; Οι διαπραγματεύσεις του Μπούτμιρ, θεωρούμενες ως η τελευταία ευκαιρία επιβίωσης της Βοσνίας-Ερζεγοβίνης, απέτυχαν», έγραψε η εφημερίδα του Σεράγεβο Oslobodjenje.

Πολύ πιο υπαρξιακά προβλήματα έχουν αυτές οι βαλκανικές χώρες από τις συζητήσεις για «επετειακή» ένταξη στην ΕΕ στα εκατοντάχρονα του Πρώτου Παγκοσμίου Πολέμου.

Alfried Wieczorek, Head of German museum says: ALEXANDER the GREAT was mainly GREEK

2009-12-12T05:15:00.000-08:00

Mannheim, Germany - The head of a German museum which is set to show an exhibition about Alexander the Great weighed into a dispute between Skopje and Athens on Friday, saying the ancient leader had been predominantly Greek. The modern state of Macedonia, where the main language is a Slavic one, claims the heritage of ancient Macedonia.

"Alexander was predominantly Greek and definitely not an ancestor of contemporary Slavic Macedonians," said Alfried Wieczorek, head of the Reiss-Engelhorn Museums in the southern German city of Mannheim.

The exhibition devoted to the ancient general and ruler, who lived from 356 to 323 BC, opens on Saturday and runs till February 21.

For two decades, Athens has been objecting to its northern neighbour calling itself Macedonia. Skopje has named its airport after Alexander and insists on having Alexander's "star of Vergina" symbol on its coat of arms.

In an interview with the German Press Agency dpa, Wieczorek said, "The latest research shows very clearly yet again that the Macedonians in the days of Alexander were closely related to the contemporary Greeks."

He added, "In antiquity, Greeks and Macedonians could interact because they spoke the same language."

Athens has been insisting that the name Macedonia can only been applied to a province in its own north.

The country of Macedonia became independent in 1991 when Yugoslavia split up. The name issue has held up efforts to bring the new country into NATO and into formal assocation with the European Union.

The museum director referred to findings that its population of 2 million, one quarter of them Albanian speakers and three quarters Slavic speakers, are descended from people who immigrated in the 6th century of the modern era, long after Alexander's death.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/288354,german-museum-man-says-alexander-the-great-was-mainly-greek.html

«Ο Αλέξανδρος είναι Έλληνας και σε καμία περίπτωση πρόγονος των σημερινών Σλαβομακεδόνων». Η δήλωση αυτή, που μεταδόθηκε από το γερμανικό πρακτορείο ειδήσεων Deutsche Presse Agentur, έκανε ο κορυφαίος Γερμανός αρχαιολόγος Alfried Wieczorek, Διευθυντής του Αρχαιολογικού Μουσείου Reiss-Engelhorn Museum, στο Μάνχαϊμ της Γερμανίας,

Υπενθυμίζεται ότι στο Μουσείο του Μανχάϊμ εγκαινιάσθηκε στις 2 Οκτωβρίου 2009 και λειτουργεί μέχρι 21 Φεβρουαρίου 2010, με μεγάλη κοσμοσυρροή, η διεθνής έκθεση «Ο Αλέξανδρος και το Άνοιγμα του Κόσμου», όπου, για πρώτη φορά στα χρονικά, Μουσεία του Τατζικιστάν, του Αφγανιστάν, του Ιράν και το Ερμιτάζ της Αγίας Πετρούπολης απέστειλαν βαρύτιμα κειμήλια με τα οποία οι ανατολικοί Λαοί υμνούν τον Αλέξανδρο.

Την ημέρα των εγκαινίων το Γερμανικό Πρακτορείο Ειδήσεων μετέδωσε μεγάλο αφιέρωμα στην έκθεση όπου σημείωνε ότι «το σύγχρονο Κράτος, που αυτοαποκαλείται Μακεδονία και έχει κύρια γλώσσα την σλαβική, σφετερίζεται την παράδοση της αρχαίας Μακεδονίας». Το αφιέρωμα πλαισίωνε συνέντευξη του διευθυντού του Μουσείου, που δήλωνε κατηγορηματικά ότι «οι πρόσφατες έρευνες αποδεικνύουν με μεγάλη σαφήνεια, ακόμη μια φορά, πως οι Μακεδόνες την εποχή του Μεγάλου Αλεξάνδρου ήταν στενά συνδεδεμένοι με τους άλλους Έλληνες και μιλούσαν την ίδια γλώσσα».

Letter to President Barack Obama

2009-12-12T04:43:00.001-08:00

On May 18th, 2009,
200 Classical Scholars from around the world, sent a letter to the President of the United States of America, Barack Obama.

Dear President Obama,

We, the undersigned scholars of Graeco-Roman antiquity, respectfully request that you intervene to clean up some of the historical debris left in southeast Europe by the previous U.S. administration.

On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of Macedonia.” This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great.

We believe that this silliness has gone too far, and that the U.S.A. has no business in supporting the subversion of history. Let us review facts. (The documentation for these facts [here in boldface] can be found attached and at: http://macedonia-evidence.org/documentation.html)

The land in question, with its modern capital at Skopje, was called Paionia in antiquity. Mts. Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece) provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia from its northern neighbor. The only real connection is along the Axios/Vardar River and even this valley “does not form a line of communication because it is divided by gorges.”

While it is true that the Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 B.C. they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia. Likewise, for example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia.

Rather, Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least 2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is. Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks, Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc.

We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia, who speak Slavic – a language introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander – can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek. His great-great-great grandfather, Alexander I, competed in the Olympic Games where participation was limited to Greeks.

Even before Alexander I, the Macedonians traced their ancestry to Argos, and many of their kings used the head of Herakles - the quintessential Greek hero - on their coins.

Euripides – who died and was buried in Macedonia– wrote his play Archelaos in honor of the great-uncle of Alexander, and in Greek. While in Macedonia, Euripides also wrote the Bacchai, again in Greek. Presumably the Macedonian audience could understand what he wrote and what they heard.

Alexander’s father, Philip, won several equestrian victories at Olympia and Delphi, the two most Hellenic of all the sanctuaries in ancient Greece where non-Greeks were not allowed to compete. Even more significantly, Philip was appointed to conduct the Pythian Games at Delphi in 346 B.C. In other words, Alexander the Great’s father and his ancestors were thoroughly Greek. Greek was the language used by Demosthenes and his delegation from Athens when they paid visits to Philip, also in 346 B.C.

Another northern Greek, Aristotle, went off to study for nearly 20 years in the Academy of Plato. Aristotle subsequently returned to Macedonia and became the tutor of Alexander III. They used Greek in their classroom which can still be seen near Naoussa in Macedonia.

Alexander carried with him throughout his conquests Aristotle’s edition of Homer’s Iliad. Alexander also spread Greek language and culture throughout his empire, founding cities and establishing centers of learning. Hence inscriptions concerning such typical Greek institutions as the gymnasium are found as far away as Afghanistan. They are all written in Greek.

The questions follow: Why was Greek the lingua franca all over Alexander’s empire if he was a “Macedonian”? Why was the New Testament, for example, written in Greek?

The answers are clear: Alexander the Great was Greek, not Slavic, and Slavs and their language were nowhere near Alexander or his homeland until 1000 years later. This brings us back to the geographic area known in antiquity as Paionia. Why would the people who live there now call themselves Macedonians and their land Macedonia? Why would they abduct a completely Greek figure and make him their national hero?

The ancient Paionians may or may not have been Greek, but they certainly became Greekish, and they were never Slavs. They were also not Macedonians. Ancient Paionia was a part of the Macedonian Empire. So were Ionia and Syria and Palestine and Egypt and Mesopotamia and Babylonia and Bactria and many more. They may thus have become “Macedonian” temporarily, but none was ever “Macedonia”. The theft of Philip and Alexander by a land that was never Macedonia cannot be justified.

The traditions of ancient Paionia could be adopted by the current residents of that geographical area with considerable justification. But the extension of the geographic term “Macedonia” to cover southern Yugoslavia cannot. Even in the late 19th century, this misuse implied unhealthy territorial aspirations.

The same motivation is to be seen in school maps that show the pseudo-greater Macedonia, stretching from Skopje to Mt. Olympus and labeled in Slavic. The same map and its claims are in calendars, bumper stickers, bank notes, etc., that have been circulating in the new state ever since it declared its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. Why would a poor land-locked new state attempt such historical nonsense? Why would it brazenly mock and provoke its neighbor?

However one might like to characterize such behavior, it is clearly not a force for historical accuracy, nor for stability in the Balkans. It is sad that the United States of America has abetted and encouraged such behavior.

We call upon you, Mr. President, to help - in whatever ways you deem appropriate - the government in Skopje to understand that it cannot build a national identity at the expense of historic truth. Our common international society cannot survive when history is ignored, much less when history is fabricated.

Sincerely,

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Anagnostis P. Agelarakis, Professor of Anthropology, Adelphi University (USA)

Ioannis M. Akamatis, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

June W. Allison, Professor Emerita, Department of Greek and Latin, The Ohio State University (USA)

Georgios Anagnostopoulos, Professor of Philosophy, University of California-San Diego (USA)

Mariana Anagnostopoulos, Assistant Professor of Philosophy, California State University, Fresno (USA)

Ronnie Ancona, Professor of Classics, Hunter College and The Graduate Center, CUNY (USA)

John P. Anton, Distinguished Professor of Greek Philosophy and Culture University of South Florida (USA)

Dr. Norman George Ashton, Senior Honorary Research Fellow, The University of Western Australia (Australia)

Lucia Athanassaki, Associate Professor of Classical Philology, University of Crete (Greece)

Effie F. Athanassopoulos, Associate Professor Anthropology and Classics, University of Nebraska-Lincoln (USA)

Harry C. Avery, Professor of Classics, University of Pittsburgh (USA)

Dr. Dirk Backendorf. Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur Mainz (Germany)

Elizabeth C. Banks, Associate Professor of Classics (ret.), University of Kansas (USA)

Leonidas Bargeliotes, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy, University of Athens, President of the Olympic Center for Philosophy and Culture (Greece)

Alice Bencivenni, Ricercatore di Storia Greca, Universita di Bologna (Italy)

David L. Berkey, Assistant Professor of History, California State University, Fresno (USA)

Luigi Beschi, professore emerito di Archeologia Classica, Universita di Firenze (Italy)

Josine H. Blok, professor of Ancient History and Classical Civilization, Utrecht University (The Netherlands)

Alan Boegehold, Emeritus Professor of Classics, Brown University (USA)

Efrosyni Boutsikas, Lecturer of Classical Archaeology, University of Kent (UK)

Ewen Bowie, Emeritus Fellow, Corpus Christi College, Oxford (UK)

Keith Bradley, Eli J. and Helen Shaheen Professor of Classics, Concurrent Professor of History, University of Notre Dame (USA)

Kostas Buraselis, Professor of Ancient History, University of Athens (Greece)

Stanley M. Burstein, Professor Emeritus, California State University, Los Angeles (USA)

Francis Cairns, Professor of Classical Languages, The Florida State University (USA)

John McK. Camp II, Agora Excavations and Professor of Archaeology, ASCSA, Athens (Greece)

David A. Campbell, Emeritus Professor of Classics. University of Victoria, B.C. (Canada)

Paul Cartledge, A.G. Leventis Professor of Greek Culture, University of Cambridge (UK)

Paavo Castren, Professor of Classical Philology Emeritus, University of Helsinki (Finland)

William Cavanagh, Professor of Aegean Prehistory, University of Nottingham (UK)

Angelos Chaniotis, Professor, Senior Research Fellow, All Souls College, Oxford (UK)

Paul Christesen, Professor of Ancient Greek History, Dartmouth College (USA)

James J. Clauss, Professor of Classics, University of Washington (USA)

Ada Cohen, Associate Professor of Art History, Dartmouth College (USA)

Randall M. Colaizzi, Lecturer in Classical Studies, University of Massachusetts-Boston (USA)

Kathleen M. Coleman, Professor of Latin, Harvard University (USA)

Rev. Dr. Demetrios J Constantelos, Charles Cooper Townsend Professor of Ancient and Byzantine history, Emeritus; Distinguished Research Scholar in Residence at the Richard Stockton College of New Jersey (USA)

Michael B. Cosmopoulos, Ph.D., Professor and Endowed Chair in Greek Archaeology, University of Missouri-St. Louis (USA)

Carole L. Crumley, PhD., Professor of European Archaeology, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill (USA)

Kevin F. Daly, Assistant Professor of Classics, Bucknell University (USA)

Joseph W. Day, Professor of Classics, Wabash College (USA)

Francois de Callatay, Professor of Monetary and Financial history of the Greek world, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes (Paris/Sorbonne) and Professor of Financial history of the Greco-Roman world, Universite libre de Bruxelles (France and Brussels)

Wolfgang Decker, Professor emeritus of sport history, Deutsche Sporthochschule, Koln (Germany)

Luc Deitz, Ausserplanmassiger Professor of Mediaeval and Renaissance Latin, University of Trier (Germany), and Curator of manuscripts and rare books, National Library of Luxembourg (Luxembourg)

Charalambos Dendrinos, Lecturer in Byzantine Literature and Greek Palaeography, Acting Director, The Hellenic Institute, Royal Holloway, University of London (UK)

Michael Dewar, Professor of Classics, University of Toronto (Canada)

John D. Dillery, Associate Professor of Classics, University of Virginia (USA

John Dillon, Emeritus Professor of Greek, Trinity College Dublin (Ireland)

Sheila Dillon, Associate Professor, Depts. of Art, Art History & Visual Studies and Classical Studies, Duke University (USA)

Michael D. Dixon, Associate Professor of History, University of Southern Indiana (USA)

Douglas Domingo-Foraste, Professor of Classics, California State University, Long Beach (USA)

Myrto Dragona-Monachou, Professor emerita of Philosophy, University of Athens (Greece)

Stella Drougou, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Pierre Ducrey, professeur honoraire, Universite de Lausanne (Switzerland)

John Duffy, Professor, Department of the Classics, Harvard University (USA)

Roger Dunkle, Professor of Classics Emeritus, Brooklyn College, City University of New York (USA)

Michael M. Eisman, Associate Professor Ancient History and Classical Archaeology, Department of History, Temple University (USA)

Mostafa El-Abbadi, Professor Emeritus, University of Alexandria (Egypt)

R. Malcolm Errington, Professor fur Alte Geschichte (Emeritus) Philipps- Universitat, Marburg (Germany)

Christos C. Evangeliou, Professor of Ancient Hellenic Philosophy, Towson University, Maryland, Honorary President of International Association for Greek Philosophy (USA)

Panagiotis Faklaris, Assistant Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Denis Feeney, Giger Professor of Latin, Princeton University (USA)

Michael Ferejohn, Associate Professor of Ancient Philosophy, Duke University (USA)

Kleopatra Ferla, Ph.D. in Ancient History, Head of Research and Management of Cultural Information, Foundation of the Hellenic World, Athens (Greece)

Elizabeth A. Fisher, Professor of Classics and Art History, Randolph-Macon College (USA)

Nick Fisher, Professor of Ancient History, Cardiff University (UK)

R. Leon Fitts, Asbury J Clarke Professor of Classical Studies, Emeritus, FSA, Scot., Dickinson Colllege (USA)

John M. Fossey FRSC, FSA, Emeritus Professor of Art History (and Archaeology), McGill Univertsity, Montreal, and Curator of Archaeology, Montreal Museum of Fine Arts (Canada)

Dr. Athanasios Fotiou, Adjunct Professor, College of the Humanities, Greek and Roman Studies, Carleton University, Ottawa (Canada)

Robin Lane Fox, University Reader in Ancient History, New College, Oxford (UK)

Dr. Lee Fratantuono, William Francis Whitlock Professor of Latin, Ohio Wesleyan University (USA)

Stavros Frangoulidis, Associate Professor of Latin. Aristotelian University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

William K. Freiert, Professor of Classics and Hanson-Peterson Chair of Liberal Studies, Gustavus Adolphus College (USA)

Rainer Friedrich, Professor of Classics Emeritus, Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S. (Canada)

Heide Froning, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Marburg (Germany)

Peter Funke, Professor of Ancient History, University of Muenster (Germany)

Traianos Gagos, Professor of Greek and Papyrology, University of Michigan (USA)

Karl Galinsky, Cailloux Centennial Professor of Classics, University of Texas, Austin (USA)

Robert Garland, Roy D. and Margaret B. Wooster Professor of the Classics, Colgate University, Hamilton NY (USA)

Hans-Joachim Gehrke, Prof. Dr., President of the German Archaeological Institute Berlin (Germany)

Dr. Ioannis Georganas, Researcher, Department of History and Archaeology, Foundation of the Hellenic World (Greece)

Douglas E. Gerber, Professor Emeritus of Classical Studies, University of Western Ontario (Canada)

Dr. Andre Gerolymatos, Chair and Professor of Hellenic Studies, Simon Fraser University (Canada)

Stephen L. Glass, John A. McCarthy Professor of Classics & Classical Archaeology, Pitzer College: The Claremont Colleges (USA)

Hans R. Goette, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Giessen (Germany); German Archaeological Institute, Berlin (Germany)

Sander M. Goldberg, Professor of Classics, UCLA (USA)

Mark Golden, Professor, Department of Classics, University of Winnipeg (Canada)

Ellen Greene, Joseph Paxton Presidential Professor of Classics, University of Oklahoma (USA)

Robert Gregg, Teresa Moore Professor of Religious Studies, Emeritus, Director, The Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies, Stanford University (USA)

Frederick T. Griffiths, Professor of Classics, Amherst College (USA)

Dr. Peter Grossmann, Member emeritus, German Archaeological Institute, Cairo (Egypt)

Erich S. Gruen, Gladys Rehard Wood Professor of History and Classics, Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)

Martha Habash, Associate Professor of Classics, Creighton University (USA)

Christian Habicht, Professor of Ancient History, Emeritus, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton (USA)

Donald C. Haggis, Nicholas A. Cassas Term Professor of Greek Studies, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)

Judith P. Hallett, Professor of Classics, University of Maryland, College Park, MD (USA)

Kim Hartswick, Academic Director, CUNY Baccalaureate for Unique and Interdisciplinary Studies, New York City (USA)

Prof. Paul B. Harvey, Jr. Head, Department of Classics and Ancient Mediterranean Studies, The Pennsylvania State University (USA)

Eleni Hasaki, Associate Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Arizona (USA)

Rosalia Hatzilambrou, Ph.D., Researcher, Academy of Athens (Greece)

Miltiades B. Hatzopoulos, Director, Research Centre for Greek and Roman Antiquity, National Research Foundation, Athens (Greece)

Stephan Heilen, Associate Professor of Classics, University of Illinois at Urbana- Champaign (USA)

Wolf-Dieter Heilmeyer, Prof. Dr., Freie Universitat Berlin und Antikensammlung der Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin (Germany)

Pontus Hellstrom, Professor of Classical archaeology and ancient history, Uppsala University (Sweden)

Steven W. Hirsch, Associate Professor of Classics and History, Tufts University (USA)

Karl-J. Holkeskamp, Professor of Ancient History, University of Cologne (Germany)

Frank L. Holt, Professor of Ancient History, University of Houston (USA)

Dan Hooley, Professor of Classics, University of Missouri (USA)

Meredith C. Hoppin, Gagliardi Professor of Classical Languages, Williams College, Williamstown, MA (USA)

Caroline M. Houser, Professor of Art History Emerita, Smith College (USA) and Affiliated Professor, University of Washington (USA)

Professor Carl Huffman, Department of Classics, DePauw University (USA)

John Humphrey, Professor of Greek and Roman Studies, University of Calgary (Canada)

Frosen Jaakko, Professor of Greek philology, University of Helsinki (Finland)

Dr Thomas Johansen, Reader in Ancient Philosophy, University of Oxford (UK)

Vincent Jolivet, Archaeologist CNRS, Paris [French School Rome] (Italy)

Georgia Kafka, Visiting Professor of Modern Greek Language, Literature and History, University of New Brunswick (Canada)

Mika Kajava, Professor of Greek Language and Literature; Head of the Department of Classical Studies, University of Helsinki (Finland)

Anthony Kaldellis, Professor of Greek and Latin, The Ohio State University (USA)

Eleni Kalokairinou, Assistant Professor of Philosophy, Secretary of the Olympic Center of Philosophy and Culture (Cyprus)

Lilian Karali, Professor of Prehistoric and Environmental Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)

Andromache Karanika, Assistant Professor of Classics, University of California, Irvine (USA)

Robert A. Kaster, Professor of Classics and Kennedy Foundation Professor of Latin, Princeton University (USA)

Dr. Athena Kavoulaki, Lecturer, Department of Philology, University of Crete, Rethymnon (Greece)

Vassiliki Kekela, Adjunct Professor of Greek Studies, Classics Department, Hunter College, City University of New York (USA)

John F. Kenfield, Associate Professor, Department of Art History, Rutgers University (USA)

Dietmar Kienast, Professor Emeritus of Ancient History, University of Duesseldorf (Germany)

Karl Kilinski II, University Distinguished Teaching Professor, Southern Methodist University (USA)

Dr. Florian Knauss, associate director, Staatliche Antikensammlungen und Glyptothek Muenchen (Germany)

Denis Knoepfler, Professor of Greek Epigraphy and History, College de France (Paris)

Ortwin Knorr, Associate Professor of Classics, Willamette University (USA)

Robert B. Koehl, Professor of Archaeology, Department of Classical and Oriental Studies Hunter College, City University of New York (USA)

Thomas Koentges, Visiting lecturer, Ancient History, University of Leipzig (Germany)

Georgia Kokkorou-Alevras, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)

Ann Olga Koloski-Ostrow, Associate Professor and Chair, Department of Classical Studies, Brandeis University (USA)

Eric J. Kondratieff, Assistant Professor of Classics and Ancient History, Department of Greek & Roman Classics, Temple University (USA)

Dr Eleni Kornarou, Visiting Lecturer of Ancient Greek Literature, Dept. of Classic and Philosophy, University of Cyprus (Cyprus)

Haritini Kotsidu, Apl. Prof. Dr. fur Klassische Archaologie, Goethe-Universitat, Frankfurt/M. (Germany)

Lambrini Koutoussaki, Dr., Lecturer of Classical Archaeology, University of Zurich (Switzerland)

David Kovacs, Hugh H. Obear Professor of Classics, University of Virginia (USA)

Prof. Dr. Ulla Kreilinger, Institut fur Klassische Archaologie, Universtitat Erlangen (Germany)

Dr. Christos Kremmydas, Lecturer in Ancient Greek History, Royal Holloway, University of London (UK)

Peter Krentz, W. R. Grey Professor of Classics and History, Davidson College (USA)

Friedrich Krinzinger, Professor of Classical Archaeology Emeritus, University of Vienna (Austria)

Michael Kumpf, Professor of Classics, Valparaiso University (USA)

Donald G. Kyle, Professor of History, University of Texas at Arlington (USA)

Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Helmut Kyrieleis, former president of the German Archaeological Institute, Berlin (Germany)

Margaret L. Laird, Assistant Professor, Roman art and archaeology, University of Washington (USA)

Gerald V. Lalonde, Benedict Professor of Classics, Grinnell College (USA)

Steven Lattimore, Professor Emeritus of Classics, University of California, Los Angeles (USA)

Francis M. Lazarus, President, University of Dallas (USA)

Mary R. Lefkowitz, Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities, Emerita Wellesley College (USA)

Irene S. Lemos FSA, Professor in Classical Archaeology,, S.Ioannou Centre for Classical and Byzantine Studies, Oxford University (UK)

Ioannes G. Leontiades, Assistant Professor of Byzantine History, Aristotle University of Thessalonike (Greece)

Iphigeneia Leventi, Assistant Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Thessaly (Greece)

Daniel B. Levine, Professor of Classical Studies, University of Arkansas (USA)

Christina Leypold, Dr. phil., Archaeological Institute, University of Zurich (Switzerland)

Vayos Liapis, Associate Professor of Greek, Centre d’Etudes Classiques & Departement de Philosophie, Universite de Montreal (Canada)

Hugh Lloyd-Jones, Professor of Greek Emeritus, University of Oxford (UK)

Yannis Lolos, Assistant Professor, History, Archaeology, and Anthropology, University of Thessaly (Greece)

Stanley Lombardo, Professor of Classics, University of Kansas (USA)

Anthony Long, Professor of Classics and Irving G. Stone Professor of Literature, University of California, Berkeley (USA)

Julia Lougovaya, Assistant Professor, Department of Classics, Columbia University (USA)

Dr. John Ma, Lecturer in Ancient History, Oxford University and Tutorial Fellow in Ancient History, Corpus Christi College, Oxford (UK)

A.D. Macro, Hobart Professor of Classical Languages emeritus, Trinity College (USA)

John Magee, Professor, Department of Classics, Director, Centre for Medieval Studies, University of Toronto (Canada)

Dr. Christofilis Maggidis, Associate Professor of Archaeology, Dickinson College (USA)

Chryssa Maltezou, Professor emeritus, University of Athens, Director of the Hellenic Institute of Byzantine and Postbyzantine Studies in Venice (Italy)

Jeannette Marchand, Assistant Professor of Classics, Wright State University, Dayton, Ohio (USA)

Evangeline Markou, Adjunct Lecturer in Greek History, Open University of Cyprus (Cyprus)

Anna Marmodoro, Faculty of Philosophy, University of Oxford (UK)

Richard P. Martin, Antony and Isabelle Raubitschek Professor in Classics, Stanford University (USA)

Maria Mavroudi, Professor of Byzantine History, University of California, Berkeley (USA)

Jody Maxmin, Associate Professor, Dept. of Art & Art History, Stanford University (USA)

Alexander Mazarakis-Ainian, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Thessaly (Greece)

James R. McCredie, Sherman Fairchild Professor emeritus; Director, Excavations in Samothrace Institute of Fine Arts, New York University (USA)

Brian McGing M.A., Ph.D., F.T.C.D., M.R.I.A., Regius Professor of Greek, Trinity College Dublin (Ireland)

James C. McKeown, Professor of Classics, University of Wisconsin-Madison (USA)

Richard McKirahan, Edwin Clarence Norton of Classics and Professor of Philosophy, Pitzer College: The Claremont Colleges (USA)

Robert A. Mechikoff, Professor and Life Member of the International Society of Olympic Historians, San Diego State University (USA)

Andreas Mehl, Professor of Ancient History, Universitaet Halle-Wittenberg (Germany)

John Richard Melville-Jones, Winthrop Professor, Classics and Ancient History, University of Western Australia (Australia)

Marion Meyer, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Vienna (Austria)

Dr. Aristotle Michopoulos, Professor & Chair, Greek Studies Dept., Hellenic College (Brookline, MA, USA)

Harald Mielsch, Professor of Classical Archeology, University of Bonn (Germany)

Stephen G. Miller, Professor of Classical Archaeology Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)

Lynette G. Mitchell, Senior Lecturer in Classics & Ancient History, Exeter University (UK)

Phillip Mitsis, A.S. Onassis Professor of Classics and Philosophy, New York University (USA)

Peter Franz Mittag, Professor fur Alte Geschichte, Universitat zu Koln (Germany)

David Gordon Mitten, James Loeb Professor of Classical Art and Archaeology, Harvard University (USA)

Mette Moltesen, MA, Curator of Ancient Art, Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek, Copenhagen (Denmark)

Margaret S. Mook, Associate Professor of Classical Studies, Iowa State University (USA)

Anatole Mori, Associate Professor of Classical Studies, University of Missouri- Columbia (USA)

William S. Morison, Associate Professor of Ancient History, Grand Valley State University (USA)

Jennifer Sheridan Moss, Associate Professor, Wayne State University (USA)

Aliki Moustaka, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotelian University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Mark Munn, Professor of Ancient Greek History and Greek Archaeology, the Pennsylvania State University (USA)

Ioannis Mylonopoulos, Assistant Professor of Greek Art History and Archaeology, Columbia University, New York (USA)

Alexander Nehamas, Edmund N. Carpenter II Class of 1943 Professor in the Humanities, Professor of Philosophy and Comparative Literature, Princeton University (USA)

Richard Neudecker, PD of Classical Archaeology, Deutsches Archaologisches Institut Rom (Italy)

James M.L. Newhard, Associate Professor of Classics, College of Charleston (USA)

Carole E. Newlands, Professor of Classics, University of Wisconsin, Madison (USA)

Andrew G. Nichols, Visiting Lecturer of Classics, University of Florida (USA)

Jessica L. Nitschke, Assistant Professor of Classics, Georgetown University (USA)

John Maxwell O'Brien, Professor of History, Queens College, City University of New York (USA)

James J. O'Hara, Paddison Professor of Latin, The University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill (USA)

Martin Ostwald, Professor of Classics (ret.), Swarthmore College and Professor of Classical Studies (ret.), University of Pennsylvania (USA)

Olga Palagia, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)

Beata M. Kitsikis Panagopoulos, Professor of Art History, Retired, San Jose State University, Caifornia (USA)

Christos Panayides, Associate Professor of Philosophy, University of Nicosia, (Cyprus)

Vassiliki Panoussi, Associate Professor of Classical Studies, The College of William and Mary (USA)

Maria C. Pantelia, Professor of Classics, University of California, Irvine (USA)

Pantos A.Pantos, Adjunct Faculty, Department of History, Archaeology and Social Anthropology, University of Thessaly (Greece)

Eleni Papaefthymiou, Curator of the Numismatic Collection of the Foundation of the Hellenic World (Greece)

Maria Papaioannou, Assistant Professor in Classical Archaeology, University of New Brunswick (Canada)

Anthony J. Papalas, Professor of Ancient History, East Carolina University (USA)

Nassos Papalexandrou, Associate Professor, The University of Texas at Austin (USA)

Polyvia Parara, Visiting Assistant Professor of Greek Language and Civilization, Department of Classics, Georgetown University (USA)

Richard W. Parker, Associate Professor of Classics, Brock University (Canada)

Robert Parker, Wykeham Professor of Ancient History, New College, Oxford (UK)

Robert J. Penella, Professor and Chairman, Classics, Fordham University (USA)

Anastasia-Erasmia Peponi, Associate Professor of Classics, Stanford University (USA)

Jacques Perreault, Professor of Greek archaeology, Universite de Montreal, Quebec (Canada)

Patrick Pfeil, magister artium Universitat Leipzig, Alte Geschichte (Germany)

Edward A. Phillips, Professor of Classics at Grinnell College (USA)

Yanis Pikoulas, Associate Professor of Ancient Greek History, University of Thessaly (Greece)

Lefteris Platon, Assistant Professor of Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)

John Pollini, Professor of Classical Art & Archaeology, University of Southern California (USA)

David Potter, Arthur F. Thurnau Professor of Greek and Latin. The University of Michigan (USA)

Daniel Potts, Edwin Cuthbert Hall Professor of Middle Eastern Archaeology, University of Sydney (Australia)

Robert L. Pounder, Professor Emeritus of Classics, Vassar College (USA)

Nikolaos Poulopoulos, Assistant Professor in History and Chair in Modern Greek Studies, McGill University (Canada)

Selene Psoma, Senior Lecturer of Ancient History, University of Athens (Greece)

William H. Race, George L. Paddison Professor of Classics, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)

John T. Ramsey, Professor of Classics, University of Illinois at Chicago (USA)

Christian R. Raschle, Assistant Professor of Roman History, Centre d’Etudes Classiques & Departement d'Histoire, Universite de Montreal (Canada)

Karl Reber, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Lausanne (Switzerland)

Gary Reger, Professor of History Trinity College, Connecticut (USA)

Rush Rehm, Professor of Classics and Drama, Stanford University (USA)

Heather L. Reid, Professor of Philosophy, Morningside College (USA)

Prof. Dr. Christoph Reusser, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Zurich (Switzerland)

Werner Riess, Associate Professor of Classics, The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)

Dr Tracey E Rihll, Senior lecturer, Department of Classics, Ancient History and Egyptology, Swansea University ( Wales, UK)

Robert H. Rivkin, Ancient Studies Department, University of Maryland Baltimore County (USA)

Walter M. Roberts III, Assistant Professor of Classics, University of Vermont (USA)

Barbara Saylor Rodgers, Professor of Classics, The University of Vermont (USA)

Robert H. Rodgers. Lyman-Roberts Professor of Classical Languages and Literature, University of Vermont (USA)

Guy MacLean Rogers, Kemper Professor of Classics and History, Wellesley College (USA)

Roberto Romano, professore di ruolo (II level) di Civilta bizantina e Storia bizantina, Universita "Federico II" di Napoli (Italy)

Nathan Rosenstein, Professor of Ancient History, The Ohio State University (USA)

John C. Rouman, Professor Emeritus of Classics, University of New Hampshire, (USA)

Dr. James Roy, Reader in Greek History (retired), University of Nottingham (UK)

Steven H. Rutledge, Associate Professor of Classics, Department of Classics, University of Maryland, College Park (USA)

Daniel J. Sahas, Professor Emeritus, University of Waterloo (Canada)

Christina A. Salowey, Associate Professor of Classics, Hollins University (USA)

Pierre Sanchez, Professor of Ancient History, University of Geneva (Switzerland)

Theodore Scaltsas, Professor of Ancient Greek Philosophy, University of Edinburgh (UK)

Thomas F. Scanlon, Professor of Classics, University of California, Riverside (USA)

Prof. Dr. Thomas Schafer, Institut fur Klassische Archaologie, Universitat Tubingen (Germany)

Bernhard Schmaltz, Prof. Dr. Archaologisches Institut der CAU, Kiel (Germany)

Prof. Dr. Andras Schmidt-Colinet, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Vienna (Austria)

Robert C. Schmiel, Prof. Emeritus of Greek & Roman Studies, University of Calgary (Canada)

Rolf M. Schneider, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Ludwig-Maximilians- Universitat Munchen (Germany)

Joseph B. Scholten, PhD, Associate Director, Office of International Programs/Affiliate Assoc. Prof. of Classics, University of Maryland, College Park (USA)

Peter Scholz, Professor of Ancient History and Culture, University of Stuttgart (Germany)

Christof Schuler, director, Commission for Ancient History and Epigraphy of the German Archaeological Institute, Munich (Germany)

Paul D. Scotton, Assoociate Professor Classical Archaeology and Classics, California State University Long Beach (USA)

Danuta Shanzer, Professor of Classics and Medieval Studies, The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Fellow of the Medieval Academy of America (USA)

James P. Sickinger, Associate Professor of Classics, Florida State University (USA)

Athanasios Sideris, Ph.D., Head of the History and Archaeology Department, Foundation of the Hellenic World, Athens (Greece)

G. M. Sifakis, Professor Emeritus of Classics, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki & New York University (Greece & USA)

Christos Simelidis, British Academy Postdoctoral Fellow, Lincoln College, University of Oxford (UK)

Henk W. Singor, Associate Professor of Ancient History Leiden University (Netherlands)

Prof. Dr. Ulrich Sinn, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Wurzburg (Germany)

Marilyn B. Skinner Professor of Classics, University of Arizona (USA)

Niall W. Slater, Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Latin and Greek, Emory University (USA)

Peter M. Smith, Associate Professor of Classics, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (USA)

Dr. Philip J. Smith, Research Associate in Classical Studies, McGill University (Canada)

Susan Kirkpatrick Smith Assistant Professor of Anthropology Kennesaw State University (USA)

Antony Snodgrass, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, University of Cambridge (UK)

Gina M. Soter, Lecturer IV, Classical Studies, The University of Michigan (USA)

Slawomir Sprawski, Assistant Professor of Ancient History, Jagiellonian University, Krakow (Poland)

Stylianos V. Spyridakis, Professor of Ancient History. University of California, Davis (USA)

Theodosia Stefanidou-Tiveriou, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Rachel Sternberg, Associate Professor of Classics, Case Western Reserve University (USA)

Dr. Tom Stevenson, Lecturer in Classics and Ancient History, University of Queensland (Australia)

Andrew Stewart, Nicholas C. Petris Professor of Greek Studies, University of California, Berkeley (USA)

Oliver Stoll, Univ.-Prof. Dr., Alte Geschichte/ Ancient History,Universitat Passau (Germany)

Richard Stoneman, Honorary Fellow, University of Exeter (UK)

Ronald Stroud, Klio Distinguished Professor of Classical Languages and Literature Emeritus, University of California, Berkeley (USA)

Sarah Culpepper Stroup, Associate Professor of Classics, University of Washington (USA)

Dr Panico J. Stylianou, Lecturer in Ancient History, Lady Margaret Hall, University of Oxford (UK)

Thomas A. Suits, Emeritus Professor of Classical Languages, University of Connecticut (USA)

Nancy Sultan, Professor and Director, Greek & Roman Studies, Illinois Wesleyan University (USA)

Peter Michael Swan, Professor of History Emeritus, University of Saskatchewan (Canada)

David W. Tandy, Professor of Classics, University of Tennessee (USA)

James Tatum, Aaron Lawrence Professor of Classics, Dartmouth College (USA)

Martha C. Taylor, Associate Professor of Classics, Loyola College in Maryland (USA)

Petros Themelis, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, Athens (Greece)

Eberhard Thomas, Priv.-Doz. Dr.,Archaologisches Institut der Universitat zu Koln (Germany)

Michalis Tiverios, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Michael K. Toumazou, Professor of Classics, Davidson College (USA)

Stephen V. Tracy, Professor of Greek and Latin Emeritus, Ohio State University (USA)

Prof. Dr. Erich Trapp, Austrian Academy of Sciences/Vienna resp. University of Bonn (Germany)

Christopher Trinacty, Keiter Fellow in Classics, Amherst College (USA)

Stephen M. Trzaskoma, Associate Professor of Classics, University of New Hampshire (USA)

Vasiliki Tsamakda, Professor of Christian Archaeology and Byzantine History of Art, University of Mainz (Germany)

Christopher Tuplin, Professor of Ancient History, University of Liverpool (UK)

Yannis Tzifopoulos, Associate Professor of Ancient Greek and Epigraphy, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Gretchen Umholtz, Lecturer, Classics and Art History, University of Massachusetts, Boston (USA)

Panos Valavanis, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Athens (Greece)

Eric R. Varner, Associate Professor, Departments of Classics and Art History, Emory University, Atlanta (USA)

Athanassios Vergados, Visiting Assistant Professor of Classics, Franklin & Marshall College (USA)

Frederik J. Vervaet, PhD, Lecturer in Ancient History. School of Historical Studies The University of Melbourne (Australia)

Christina Vester, Assistant Professor of Classics, University of Waterloo (Canada)

Dr. Zsolt Visy, Leiter Universität Pécs Lehrstuhl für Alte Geschichte und Archäologie, Archäologisches Seminar (Hungary)

Emmanuel Voutiras, Professor of Classical Archaeology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

Speros Vryonis, Jr., Alexander S. Onassis Professor (Emeritus) of Hellenic Civilization and Culture, New York University (USA)

Michael B. Walbank, Professor Emeritus of Greek, Latin & Ancient History, The University of Calgary (Canada)

Dr. Irma Wehgartner, Curator of the Martin von Wagner Museum der Universitat Wurzburg (Germany)

Bonna D. Wescoat, Associate Professor, Art History and Ancient Mediterranean Studies, Emory University (USA)

E. Hector Williams, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of British Columbia (Canada)

Peter James Wilson FAHA, William Ritchie Professor of Classics, The University of Sydney (Australia)

Roger J. A. Wilson, Professor of the Archaeology of the Roman Empire, and Director, Centre for the Study of Ancient Sicily, University of British Columbia, Vancouver (Canada)

Engelbert Winter, Professor for Ancient History, University of Munster (Germany)

Timothy F. Winters, Ph.D. Alumni Assn. Distinguished Professor of Classics Austin Peay State University (USA)

Ioannis Xydopoulos, Assistant Professor in Ancient History, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Greece)

David C. Young, Professor of Classics Emeritus, University of Florida (USA)

Maria Ypsilanti, Assistant Professor of Ancient Greek Literature, University of Cyprus (Cyprus)

Katerina Zacharia, Associate Professor and Chair, Department of Classics & Archaeology, Loyola Marymount University (USA)

Michael Zahrnt, Professor fur Alte Geschichte, Universitat zu Koln (Germany)

Paul Zanker, Professor Emeritus of Classical Studies, University of Munich (Germany)

Froma I. Zeitlin, Ewing Professor of Greek Language & Literature, Professor of Comparative Literature, Princeton University (USA)

332 signatures as of June 22nd, 2009, that were sent with the update.

The original letter sent on May 18th, 2009, had 200 signatures.

For the growing list of scholars, please go to the Addenda.

macedonia-evidence.org

Ancient Macedonian Language

2008-11-28T02:18:00.000-08:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
November 28, 2008

GENERAL

The Blackwell Encyclopedia of Writing Systems defines a writing system as "a set of visible or tactile signs used to represent units of language in a systematic way". This simple explanation encompasses a large spectrum of writing systems, with vastly different stylistic and structural characteristics spanning across the many regions of the globe. Therefore the inscription or the script was, is and will be the major definition source of a language. There is no defined line between a language and a dialect, but it is often said that a language is a dialect with an army and a navy, a statement credited to Max Weinreich.

To the question what kind of language did the ancient Macedonians use, the answer can only be given based on the existing references in ancient documents, and the excavated inscriptions. What we have concluded is that the Ancient Macedonians were Hellenophon; the original dialect of the Hellenic language they used (Macedonian dialect) was very much similar to the Doric dialect (that is in accordance to Herodotus' references on the common origin of the Dorians and the Macedonians). Later on (in the Hellenistic era) that dialect was gradually replaced by the ´Koini Attiki´ dialect, just like in all of the other Greek city-states. Every native Macedonian name, is Hellenic and is formed in the Hellenic way of producing words, for example the names: ´Adista, Philista, Sostrata, Philotas, Perdikkas, Mahatas´ and many more.

The strongest evidence of the Greekness of the Macedonian dialect are:

The excavated inscriptions, where you find only Greek characters and words

The coins from Macedonia, where again you find only Greek characters and words

The many quotations and comments of the ancient writers on the Macedonians' speech

The characteristics of the Macedonian dialect

Etymology of names in Macedonia

A few years ago, a German linguist by the name Otto Hoffman wrote a book with the title "Makedonians, their language and their Ethnicity". Hoffman analyzed the paradoxical or idiomatic words (calling them languages), which past grammatical, lexicographers and more in general everyone engaged around the Hellenic language had noted them as "worthy to be analyzed" in ´Makedonia´.

According to Hoffman, his conclusions after "supervising" others work are:

"And now after supervising the ancient ´Makedonian´ linguistic thesaurus we are posting the decisive question, if what is adding to the ´Makedonian´ language its character, are the Hellenic or the barbarian elements of it, the response cannot be of any doubts. From the 39 ´languages´ that according to Gustav Mayer their form was ´completely alien´ has been proven after this research of mine, that 10 of them are clearly Hellenic; with 4 more possibly dialectical forms of common Hellenic words, so from the entire collection are remaining only 15 words appearing to be justifiable or at least suspected of anti-Hellenic origins. Adding to those 15, few others which with regards their vocals could be Hellenic, without till now being confirmed as such, then their number (in comparison to the number of pure Hellenic ones in the Macedonian language), is so small that the GENERAL HELLENIC CHARACTER OF THE ´MAKEDONIAN´ LINGUISTIC TREASURE CAN NOT BE DOUBTED."

Major evidence worth noting also involved the ancient theaters. It is a well-known fact that only the Ancient Greeks had theaters in Classical period, namely: Dion, Vergina, Philippi, and Thassos (all in Macedonia). The theater of Dion hosted the first performance (before an audience of Greek-speaking Macedonians), of Euripides world-famous tragedy ´Bacchae´, which he wrote while in Pella, Macedonia. Euripides died and was also buried in Macedonia.

The official code name given recently from linguistics is:

Ancient Macedonian language : provisional ISO-DIS 639-3.5 XMK).

Subgrouping Code : Ancient Greek language or IEGreekB

Group code: Greek Language or IEGreek.

ANCIENT INSCRIPTIONS

The 6000 inscriptions that are found in Macedonia are freely available for anyone to analyze; as are the texts through the Epigraphical database:

http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscriptions/search_main.html

What do we notice? All are in the Ancient Greek language of course!

One must note when performing a throughout analysis, that linguistically there is no real distinction between a dialect and a language without a specific factor. People commonly use a political motivator to determine whether a certain ´speech´ is a language or a dialect. Since the Pan-Hellenic area consisted of many small city-states (Attica, Lacedaemon, Corinth, etc.), and larger states (Molossia, Thesprotia, Macedonia, Acarnania, Aetolia, etc.), it was thought at the time, that the people of all those states were speaking different languages, when they were all in fact speaking variations of the same language i.e. Hellenic (or Greek). The most advanced of all Hellenic dialects was the dialect of Attica (Athens) or Attic. When referring to the "Ancient Greek language", the Attic dialect of Ancient Greek is implied, and any comparison of the Macedonian dialect to Ancient Greek is actually a comparison to the Attic dialect.

The difference between Macedonian and Attic was like the difference between Low and High German. Nobody doubts that both are Germanic languages, although they differ slightly. Multi-dialectal linguistic regime is also present in modern-day Italy. The official language of Italy is the Florentine dialect, yet people commonly still speak their own dialects. The same holds true in Modern Greece. The Cretans speak their own dialect, and for many Greeks it is difficult to understand this unique dialect.

As mentioned initially, German linguistic Hoffman, analyzes 40 official Macedonian names found on an inscription from 423 B.C:

""In final analysis it is possible that the name VYRGINON KRASTWNOS is of Thracian origins, while independent remains the name DIRVE.....ALL the other names are BEAUTIFUL, CLEAR, HELLENIC CONSTRUCTIONS and only two of them NEOPTOLEMOS and MELEAGROS could have been loans from the HELLENIC MYTHOLOGY."

Hoffman considers the names of the populations of upper or Western ´Makedonia´ including the Orestians (Kastoria), Eordians (Ptolemais-Arnissa), Tymfaians (Pindos-Konitsa), Elimiotians (Kozani), and Lyngestians (Florina-Monastiri).

He considers and analyzes the names of the King's body-guards, the generals, the administrative employees, the leaders of the ´Makedonian´ cavalry, the leaders of the army, and those of many other common people of the 5th and 4th and even later centuries.

His conclusions?

"THE NAMES OF THE GENUINE MAKEDONIANS AND THOSE BORN OF MAKEDONIAN PARENTS , ESPECIALLY THE NAMES OF THE ELITIC CLASS AND NOBLES,IN THEIR FORMATION AND PHONOLOGY ARE PURELY HELLENIC."

And continues:

""The general Hellenic character of the Makedonians linguistic treasure cannot be disputed even in case some of them might be loans from the Hellenic Mythology or from non-Hellenic myths or for the better pre-Hellenic myths (Teytamos-Marsyas-Seilinos*).

One strong archaeological evidence that depicts which language was spoken by the Ancient Macedonians is the Pella ´katadesmos´ (see picture below). A ´katadesmos´ is a curse, or magic spell, which is inscribed on a lead scroll probably dating to 380 - 350 BC. It was discovered in Pella (at the time capital of Macedon) in 1986; and was published in the Hellenic Dialectology Journal in 1993.

The tab has been dated by the original publishers to the "Mid-4th century BC or slightly earlier (letter forms, spelling)". This dating has been contested by Prof. Edmonds of Bryn Mawr College, who proposes a 3rd century BC date.

The former opinion is concurred by the Oxford Classical Dictionary, in which Professor Olivier Masson writes:

"Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it {i.e. Macedonian} an Aeolic dialect (O.Hoffmann compared Thessalian) we must by now think of a link with North-West Greek (Locrian, Aetolian, Phocidian, Epirote). This view is supported by the recent discovery at Pella of a curse tablet (4th cent. BC) which may well be the first 'Macedonian' text attested (provisional publication by E.Voutyras; cf. the Bulletin Epigraphique in Rev. Et. Grec. 1994, no.413); the text includes an adverb "opoka" which is not Thessalian." (OCD, 1996, pp 905, 906).

Of the same opinion is James L. O'Neil's (University of Sydney) presentation at the 2005 Conference of the Australasian Society for Classical Studies, entitled "Doric Forms in Macedonian Inscriptions" (abstract):

"A fourth century BC curse tablet from Pella shows word forms which are clearly Doric, but a different form of Doric from any of the west Greek dialects of areas adjoining Macedon. Three other, very brief, fourth century inscriptions are also indubitably Doric. These show that a Doric dialect was spoken in Macedon, as we would expect from the West Greek forms of Greek names found in Macedon. And yet later Macedonian inscriptions are in Koine avoiding both Doric forms and the Macedonian voicing of consonants. The native Macedonian dialect had become unsuitable for written documents."

In English the text of Pella katasemos translates:

On Thetima and Dionysophon the ritual wedding and the marriage I bind by a written spell, as well as (the marriage) of all other women (to him), both widows and maidens, but above all of Thetima; and I entrust (this spell) to Macron and to the daimones. And if I was to ever dig up this tablet and read these words again, only then should Dionysophon marry, not before; may he indeed not take another beside myself, but let me alone grow old by the side of Dionysophon and no one else. I implore you: have pity for [Phila (?)], dear daimones, [for I am indeed bereft (?)] of all my dear ones and abandoned. But please keep this (piece of writing) for my sake so that these events do not happen and wretched Thetima perishes miserably [---] but let me become happy and blessed.

WORDS

The 200 words are the words that recorded from the ancient writers and not those that found in the inscriptions (200 more). The majority are part of the Greek ´syntaxis´ sentences.

Relatively few words of the Macedonian dialect have been preserved, about 154 in fact, and are recorded by Athenaeus and in the Lexicon of Hesychios, who drew them mainly from the work of the Macedonian lexicographer Amerias. It should be noted that Ancient lexicographers did not record all the words of a language or dialect, but only those that presented a certain peculiarity or difficulty in comprehension. For this reason foreign words and idioms are recorded, and thus the proportion of foreign words is not representative of the total vocabulary of the Macedonian dialect. Many of the words which have been treasured as Macedonian occur in all Greek dialects, but in the Macedonian dialect they had a specific meaning and they were recorded by the Ancient lexicographers; for example the word ´υπασπιστής´ (adjutant).

These words that were handed down as Macedonian do not bear any resemblance to the Thracian-Illyrian language. The Macedonian linguistic material (proper names, place-names and common nouns) testifies to the Greek character of the Macedonian dialect as:

The etymology of the majority words is Greek (approx. 90%)

the features and vowel changes are common in Greek and so are the inflections and endings.

As for the few words which are recorded as Macedonian in the Lexicon of Hesyxhios and which are not considered by some to be Greek, it is most likely that they are loan-words, a phenomenon that is observed in all languages, and one which does not put their origin in doubt.

Also, there are another 200 words that found in several inscriptions (Posidipus, Pella katadaesmos, Dervinion papyrus e.t.c.) except of course those that recorded from the Ancient writers (about 154) that has the same characteristics.

CONCLUSION

In summary, we present five facts that prove the Greek origin of the Ancient Macedonian ´language´ (dialect):

Fact 1 - ISO Identification

Ancient Macedonian language (provisional ISO-DIS 639-3.5 XMK).

Subgrouping Code : Ancient Greek language or IEGreekB

Group code: Greek Language or IEGreek.

Fact 2 - Excavated inscriptions

Six-thousand inscriptions - the most famous being the Pella ´katadesmos´ and the ´Dervenion´ Papyrus (both in the Ancient Greek language).

Fact 3 - Words

The known Macedonian words have Greek roots (except very few) according to linguistics that have analyzed the ancient inscriptions (e.g. Pella ´katadesmos´).

Fact 4 - Evidence of non-Greek inscription

There has not yet been found any single non-Greek text; not only in Macedonia but also in the regions that Macedonians have interacted with.

Fact 5 - The Opposing side

None claim the opposite, as there is no evidence of any single Linguistic proof in order to support their theory of non-Greek speaking Macedonians.

Some people from FYROM (namely Stefov, Gandeto etc.) claim that the term ´makedonisti´ (Philotas trial) is what they interpret as "Macedonian language". Obviously, that is clearly wrong!

The term ´makedonisti´ is Greek, which doesn't mean ´Macedonian language´, but ´Macedonian way´ (in this case, of speech). It is a term that is found in many other Greek documents, and not only in the Macedonian case. For example, it can be found as ´attikisti´, implying the ´Attic way of speech´, the attic dialect, or, ´ionisti´ for the ionian dialect, or, ´doristi´ for the doric dialect. In that way, it is easy to reject the misleading FYROM interpretations of such extracts, because they are based on poor logic and on deliberate false interpretation in the translation of the ancient documents.

The Question I now pose to you is: "Was the Ancient Macedonian language (dialect) part of Ancient Greek?"

It is up to you to decide.

Written by Akritas

for MacedoniaOnTheWeb

info@macedonian.com.au

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council

Proud indigenous Macedonians proud Greeks one people, one language, one culture, one country

The "Slavic Philhellenic Network" has been established in Skoplje

2008-11-23T02:42:00.000-08:00

The registration in court was done yesterday. The aims of the operation “Vardar-Axios” shall be:

1. Restitution of the Slavic identity of FYROM

2. Creation, promoting and archiving publications regarding Greek culture

3. Sponsorship of Classic and Byzantine studies

4. Struggle against Pseudomacedonism

This organization has 4 members, all of them anonymous, with the exception of Vasko. The site of SPN shall be launched in Wednesday 26-XI and it will serve as an online platform for publication and coordination of activities.

Source: MOTW

HISTORY OF MACEDONIA

Risto Stefov and the falsification of Ancient Macedonia History Part IV

2008-11-21T01:57:00.000-08:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
November 20, 2008

As we emphatically pointed out in our previous article, the art of commiting provocative falsification and blatant violation of the historical reality finds full use into the propaganda originating from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). If we are looking for a pure sample of the deplorable "taking text out of context" method in order to misrepresent a source´s actual position, then one of the best candidates should definitely be one of the latest articles of Risto Stefov, ironically entitled "Greek Australian Advisory Council and the falsification of Ancient Macedonian history Part 9".

For example in one of the most comical writings you could ever read in your lives, as regards to ancient history, the author once more, attempts to isolate and take out of context a certain small number of references taken from the book "Plutarch The Age of Alexander" by Ian-Scott Kilvert.

First and foremost even the source he attempts to forge this time, is crystal clear about the Greek ethnicity of ancient Macedonians. For the sake of materiality, in page 3 of Ian-Scott Kilvert´s "Plutarch The Age of Alexander" - a "special edition" of Nine Lives roughly concomitant with Alexander and his time - we can read:

The Age of Alexander – Nine Greek lives by Plutarch

Right afterwards we read the names of these prominent nine Greeks of which the book deals with their Biographies.

Agesilaus – Pelopidas- Dion – Timoleon – Demosthenes – Phocion – Alexander – Demetrius – Pyrrhus

In other words, two of the Nine Greeks are Macedonian themselves. Inevitably, Risto Stefov continues to pursue a policy of constant self-contradictions since once more he tried to present a source which completely shatters his historical inaccuracies and contrarily to his erroneous claims, proves the Greekness of ancient Macedonians.

Secondly, the author employs a number of selected lines to draw connections to an alleged "implied ethnic distinction" but as usual, he fails to take account of the particular place, time and circumstance these lines apply, which often is crucial to understand what someone really means or intends to. Moreover he also fails to take account of even the other words or lines which immediately surround it with result the overall meaning to be quite different from the author´s agenda. The latter constitutes a blatant case of wilful distortion.

Take a look for instance to the first "unique finding" of Risto Stefov

1] "Alexander was born on the sixth day of the month Hecatombaeon, which the Macedonians call Lous, the same day on which the temple of Artemis at Ephesus was burned down." [p.254

The above quote underscores the ill-informed and quite amateurish notion of ancient history that currently prevails the author. Unfortunately Risto Stefov totally ignores that almost all places in the Greek world had their own distinct Calendars, yet some months were common among them. Quite indicatively if for a moment, someone was inclined to consider the author´s implication as valid then he should also conclude for instance that Delphi was not Greek since the Delphian calendar called the specific month Hyllaios and not Hecatombaeon.

In fact the month Lous/Loios was also a Thessalian month. I denote here that there are also Macedonian months whose names are shared with other Greeks, namely the calendars of Argos, Corinth, Epidaurus, Crete and Rhodes. Argives, Corinthians, Cretans, Epidaurians and Rhodians. In essence the ancient Macedonian calendar emphatically points out the Greekness of ancient Macedonians.

In the same manner, the rest of the absolutely selective and taken out of context, lines in the article of Risto Stefov, rely heavily on outrageous half truths, mainly dealing with the characteristical ignorance of the author with similar statements pertaining to "freed" or "enslaved" Greeks by the Atheneans, Spartans and others abound in ancient sources.

Plutarch "The Age of Alexander"

Penguin Classics

1] On his father´s side Alexander was descended from Hercules through Caranus, and on his mother´s from Aeacus through Neoptolemus: so much is accepted by all authorities without question.

(Plut. 7.2 page 252)

Point of Interest: The fact that Alexander was Greek by both his parents went unquestioned by all authorities]

2] The first was that his general Parmenio had overcome the Illyrians in a great battle, the second that his race-horse had won a victory in the Olympic games, and the third that Alexander had been born.

(Plut. 7.3, page 255)

Philip participated in Olympics during Classical Ages where only Greeks could take place since he was a Greek himself]

3]Philip for example was as proud of his powers of eloquence as any sophist, and took care to have the victories won by his chariots at Olympia stamped upon his coins.

(Plut. 7.4, page 256)

Philip as a proud Greek, had his victories in Olympics stamped on his coins]

4]The person who took on both the title and the role of Pedagogue was an Acarnanian named Lysimachus. He was neither an educated nor a cultivated man but he managed to ingratiate himself by calling Philip Peleus, Alexander Achilles, and himself Phoenix, and he held the second place in the prince´s household.

(Plut. 7.5, page 257)

The love of Philip and Alexander for anything Greek is apparent]

5]Besides this he considered that the task of training and educating his son was too important to be entrusted to the ordinary run of teachers of poetry, music and general education: it required as Sophocles puts it:

The rudder´s guidance and the curb´s restraint,

and so he sent for Aristotle, the most famous and learned of the philosophers of the time and rewarded him with the generocity that his reputation deserved.

(Plut. 7.7, page 258)

One of the most famous Greek philosophers, Aristotle was entrusted by Philip with the task of training and educating his son]

6] He [Alexander] regarded the Iliad as a handbook of the art of war and took with him on his campaigns a text annotated by Aristotle, which became as "the casket copy" and which he always kept under his pillow together with his dagger. When his campaigns had taken him far into the interior of Asia and he could find no other books, he ordered his treasurer Harpalus to send him some. Harpalus sent him the histories of Philistus, many of the tragedies of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides and the dithyrambic poems of Telestes and Philoxenus.

(Plut 7.8, pages 259-260)

Alexander never hide his love for anything Greek]

7] During this period he [Alexander] defeated the Maedi who had risen in revolt, captured their city, drove out its barbarous inhabitants, established a colony of Greeks assembled from various regions and named it Alexandroupolis.

Plut. 7.9, page 260)

Here we have undisputed evidence of Macedonia´s Greekness. On one hand, the term "barbarians" is used only for Maedi, not Macedonians while on the other hand Alexander of course establishes a Greek colony since apparently he is Greek himself.]

7]There he [Philip] scolded his son and angrily reproached him for behaving so ignobly and so unworthily of his position as to wish to marry the daughter of a mere Carian, who was no more than the slave of a barbarian king.

(Plut. 7.10, page 262)

Point of interest: Philip uses the term barbarian for a foreign king. Its obvious Philip was Greek, otherwise he wouldnt use at all the derogatory remark if he was "barbarian" himself]

8]The neighbouring barbarian tribes were eager to throw off the Macedonian yoke and longed for the rule of their native kings.

(Plut. 7.11, page 263)

The difference between the "neighbouring barbarian tribes" and Macedonians is clear.]

9]As for the barbarian tribes they [Macedonians] considered that he [Alexander] should try to win them back to their allegiance by using milder methods.

(Plut. 7.11, page 263)

Again, Barbarians are being distinguished from Macedonians, even by Macedonians themselves]

10]In the previous year a congress of the Greek states had been held at the Isthmus of Corinth: here a vote had been passed that the states should join forces with Alexander in invading Persia and that he should be commander-in-chief of the expedition. Many of the Greek statesmen and philosophers visited him to offer their congratulations…

(Plut. 7.14, page 266)

Macedonia as a greek state took part in the congress held at Isthmus of Corinth. Alexander was voted to be commander-in-chief while many Greek statesmen and philosophers showed their joy about the event by offering him their congratulations.]

11] Once arrived in Asia, he [Alexander] went up to Troy, sacrificed to Athena and poured libations to the heroes of the Greek army. He annointed with oil the column which marks the grave of Achilles, ran a race by it naked with his companions, as the custom is, and then crowned it with a wreath: he also remarked that Achilles was happy in having found a faithful friend while he lived and a great poet to sing of his deeds after his death. While he was walking about the city and looking at its ancient remains, somebody asked him whether he wished to see the lyre which had once belonged to Paris. I think nothing of that lyre, he said, but i wish i could see Achilles´ lyre, which he played when he sang of the glorious deeds of brave men.

(Plut. 7.15, page 268)

First thing Alexander did while being in Asia was to honour the Greek heroes and his own ancestor Achilles]

12] "At the same time he [Alexander] was anxious to give the other Greek states a share in the victory. He therefore sent the Atheneans in particular three hundred of the shields captured from the enemy and over the rest of the spoils he had this proud inscription engraved:

Alexander, the son of Philip, and all the Greeks, with the exception of the Spartans, won these spoils of war from the barbarians who dwell in Asia."

(Plut. 7.16, page 270)

Needless to say much about it. Things are pretty clear. Alexander's inscription itself reveals Macedonians are Greeks]

13] It is said that there was a spring near the city of Xanthus in the province of Lycia, which at this moment overflowed and cast up from its depths a bronze tablet: this was inscribed with ancient characters which foretold tha the empire of the Persians would be destroyed by the Greeks. Alexander was encouraged by this prophecy and pressed on to clear the coast of Asia Minor as far as Cilicia and Phoenicia.

(Plut. 7.17, page 270)

No reason Alexander to be enouraged unless he was Greek himself. Another undisputable evidence of his Greekness]

14]he [Alexander] managed to extend it round the enemy´s left, outflanked it, and fighting in the foremost ranks, put the barbarians to flight.

(Plut. 7.20, page 274)

The dinstiction between Macedonians and Barbarians is obvious]

15] It was here that the Macedonians received their first taste of gold and silver and women and of the luxury of the Barbarian way of life.

(Plut 7.24, page 278)

Macedonians couldnt receive their first taste of the luxury of the Barbarian way of life if they were Barbarians themselves]

16] he [Alexander] dshed to the nearest camp fire, dispatched with his dagger the two barbarians who were sitting by it

(Plut. 7.24, page 280)

Another evidence Macedonians were Greeks and certainly not Barbarians]

17]One day a casket was brought to him which was regarded by those who were in charge of Darius´ baggage and treasure as the most valuable item of all and so Alexander asked his friends what he should keep in it as his own most precious possesion. Many different suggestions were put forward, and finally Alexander said he intended to keep his copy of Iliad there.

(Plut. 7.26, page 281)

Alexander´s love for anything Greek was overwhelming. He considered Iliad as his most precious possession.]

18]According to this story, after Alexander had conquered Egypt, he was anxious to found a great and populous Greek city there, to be called after him.

(Plut. 7.26, page 281)

Alexander as a Greek himself founded Greek cities]

19] Others say that the Priest, who wished as a mark of courtesy to address him with the Greek Phrase ´O, paidion´ (O, My son)…

(Plut. 7.27, page 283-4)

20] On this occasion, Alexander gave a long address to the Thessalians and the rest of the Greeks. They acclaimed by shouting for him to lead them against the barbarians and at this he shifted his lance into his left hand, so Callisthenes tells us, and raising his right be called upon the gods and prayed that he were really the son of Zeus they should protect and encourage the Greeks.

(Plut. 7.33, page 290)

Greek soldiers couldnt have shouted to Alexander to lead them against the Barbarians if him and his Macedonians were Barbarians themselves. Alexander´s pray includes Macedonians to the rest of Greeks.]

21]To the Plataeans in particular he [Alexander] wrote that he would rebuild their city because their ancestors had allowed the Greeks to make their territory the seat of war in the struggle for their common freedom. He also sent a share of the spoils to the people of Croton in Italy in honour of the spirit and valour shown by their athlete Phayllus: this man when the rest of the Greeks in Italy had refused to give any help to their compatriots in the Persian wars, he fitted out a ship at his own expense and sailed with it to Salamis to share in the common danger.

(Plut. 7.34, page 291)

22] During the advance across Persis the Greeks massacred great numbers of their prisoners, and Alexander has himself recorded that he gave orders for the Persians to be slaughtered because he thought that such an example would help his cause.

(Plut. 7.37, page 294)

Macedonians are recorded by Plutarch as Greeks]

23]Alexander stopped and spoke to it [Xerxes Statue] as though it was alive. ´Shall i pass by and leave you lying there because of the expedition you led against Greece, or shall i set you up again because of your magnanimity and your virtues in other respects?´

(Plut. 7.37, page 294)

Xerxes statue was toppled by Macedonians and was left in the ground. This spontaneous action of Macedonians, plus Alexander´s words reveal how much Macedonians wanted to revenge Persia through this Panhellenic expedition.]

24] Demaratus the Corinthian, who was much attached to Alexander, as he had been to his father, began to weep, as old men are aprt to do, and exclaimed that any Greek who had died before that day had missed one of the greatest pleasures in life by not seeing Alexander seated on the throne of Darius.

(Plut. 7.37, page 295)

Greeks wouldnt have missed this great pleasure in life to see Alexander seated on Darius throne if he wasnt Greek himself]

25]She wanted to put a torch to the building herself in full view of Alexander, so that posterity should know that the women who followed Alexander had taken a more terrible revenge for the wrongs of Greece than all the famous commanders of earlier times by land or sea. Her speech was greeted wit wild applause and the king´s companions excitedly urged him on until at last he allowed himself to be persuaded, leaped to his feet and with a garland on his head and a torch in his hand led the way.

(Plut. 7.38, page 295)

26] From this point he advanced into Parthia, and it was here during a pause in the campaign that he first began to wear barbarian dress.

(Plut. 7.45, page 301)

So Macedonian dresses were Hellenic since in Parthia was the FIRST time Alexander began to wear BARBARIAN dresses]

27]However he didnt go so far as to adopt the Median costume, which was altogether barbaric and outlandish.

(Plut. 7.45, page 302)

More evidence of the greekness of Macedonians. The remark about the Median costume being Barbaric wouldnt make sense if Macedonian costume was Barbaric too. Here we have another dinstinction between Barbaric and Macedonian (Greek) costume]

28]For this reason he [Alexander] selected thirty thousand boys and gave orders that they should be taught to speak the Greek language and to use Macedonian weapons and he appointed a large number of instructors to train them.

(Plut. 7.47, page 303)

Alexander spread everywhere the Greek language since he was a Greek himself. There is no reason or even an example of a conqueror in classical ages to spread a "foreign" language but solely his own.]

29]The barbarians were encouraged by the feeling of partnership which their alliance created, and they were completely won over by Alexander´s moderation and courtesy..

(Plut. 7.47, page 304)

Again a clear dinstiction between barbarians and Macedonians]

30]After the company had drunk a good deal somebody began to sing the verse of a man named Pranichus which had been written to humiliate and make fun of some Macedonian commanders who had recently been defeated by the Barbarians.

(Plut. 7.50, page 307)

The dinstiction between Macedonian commanders and Barbarians is more than obvious]

31]Callisthenes then turned to the other side of the picture and delivered a long list of home truths about the Macedonians, pointing out that the rise of Philip´s power had been brought about by the divisions among the rest of the Greeks,

(Plut. 7.53, page 311)

The evidence of the Greekness of Macedonians is striking. Macedonians and the rest of Greeks]

32]In the meantime Demaratus of Corinth, although he was by now an old man, was eager to visit Alexander and when the king had received him Demaratus declared that those Greeks who had died before they could see Alexander seated on the throne of Darius had missed one of the greatest pleasures in teh world.

(Plut. 7.56, page 313)

No reason for those Greeks to "miss one of the greatest pleasures in the world when they when they would see Alexander seated in Darius throne if Alexander was not Greek]

33]For example he put to death Menander, one of the Companions because he had been placed in command of a garrison and had refused to remain there, and he shot down with his own hand one the Barbarians named Orsodates who had rebelled against him .

(Plut. 7.57, page 314)

Clear Dinstiction between the Macedonian Menander and the Barbarian Orsodates.]

34] He [Alexander] also set up altars for the gods of Greece and eve down to the present day the kings of the Praesii whenever they cross the river do honour to these and offer sacrifice on them in the Greek fashion.

(Plut. 7.62, page 320)

Another evidence Alexander and Macedonians worshipped the Greek Pantheon]

35] The ladder was smashed so that no more Macedonians could join him and the barbarians began to gather inside along the bottom of the wall and to shoot at him from below.

(Plut. 7.63, page 320)

Clear Dinstiction between the Macedonians and Barbarians]

36]Both men were wounded and Limnaeus was killed, but Peucestas stood firm wile Alexander killed the Barbarian with his own hand. But he was wounded over and over again and at last received a blow on the neck from a club which forced him to lean against the wall, although he still faced his assialants, At this moment the Macedonians swarmed round him..

(Plut. 7.63, page 321)

Clear Dinstiction between the Macedonians and Barbarians]

37] Nevertheless the prince Taxiles awas able to persuade Clanaus to visit Alexander. His real name was PShines but because he greeted everyone he met not with the Greek salutation chairete but with the Indian word cale, the Greeks called him Calanus.

(Plut. 7.65, page 323)

38] Not long afterwards Alexander discovered tha the tomb of Cyrus had been plundered and had the offender put to death, enen though he was a prominent Macedonian from Pella named Polymachus. When he read the inscription on the tomb he ordered it to be repeated below in Greek characters.

(Plut. 7.69, page 326)

39] The thirty thousand boys whom he had left behind to be given a Greek education and military traning had now grown into active and handsome men and had developed a wonderful skill and agilit in their military exercises.

(Plut. 7.71, page 328)

40] The other, Cassander, had only lately arrived in Babylon and when he saw some of the barbarians prostrate themselves before the king he burst into loud and disrespectful laughter for he had been brought up as a Greek and had never seen such a spectacle in his life.

(Plut. 7.74, page 331)

Plutarch - Moralia, "On the Fortune of Alexander"

"But he said, `If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes´; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Hellenic, to traverse and civilize every every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to diseminate and shower the blessings of the Hellenic justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorius Hellenes should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos…´"

(Plutarchos, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332 a-b)

"Yet through Alexander, Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Hellenes … Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Hellenic magistracies … Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Hellenic city, for by the founding of cities in these places savagery was extinguished and the worse element, gaining familiarity with the better, changed under its influence.´"

(Plutarchos Moralia. On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A)

"What spectator… would not exclaim… that through Fortune the foreign host was prevailing beyond its deserts, but through Virtue the Hellenes were holding out beyond their ability? And if the ones [i.e., the enemy] gains the upper hand, this will be the work of Fortune or of some jealous deity or of divine retribution; but if the others [i.e. the Hellenes] prevail, it will be Virtue and daring, friendship and fidelity, that will win the guerdon of victory? these were, in fact, the only support that Alexander had with him at this time, since Forune had put a barrier between him and the rest of his forces and equipment, fleets, horse, and camp. Finally, the Macedonians routed the barbarians, and, when they had fallen, pulled down their city on their heads. "

Plutarch, On the Fortune of Alexander, 344 e-f

Again, however, Fortune stirred up Thebes against him, and thrust in his pathway a war with Greeks, and the dread necessity of punishing, by means of slaughter and fire and sword, men that were his kith and kin, a necessity which had a most unpleasant ending.

Plutarch, Virtue, 11]

For Alexander did not follow Aristotles advice to treat the Greeks as if he were their leader, and other peoples as if he were their master; to have regard for the Greeks as for friends and kindred, but to conduct himself toward other peoples as though they were plants or animals; for to do so would have been to cumber his leadership with numerous battles and banishments and festering seditions. But, as he believed that he came as a heaven sent governor to all, and as a mediator for the whole world, those whom he could not persuade to unite with him, he conquered by force of arms, and he brought together into one body all men everywhere, uniting and mixing in one great loving‐cup, as it were, mens lives, their characters, their marriages, their very habits of life.

He bade them all consider as their fatherland the whole inhabited earth, as their stronghold and protection his camp, as akin to them all good men, and as foreigners only the wicked; they should not distinguish between Grecian and foreigner by Grecian cloak and targe, or scimitar and jacket; but the distinguishing mark of the Grecian should be seen in virtue, and that of the foreigner in iniquity; clothing and food, marriage and manner of life they should regard as common to all, being blended into one by ties of blood and children.

Plutarch, Fortune, 6]

A comparison of Alexander with Pericles:

"Pericles collected tribute from the Greeks and with the money adorned the Acropolis with temples; but Alexander captured the riches of barbarians and sent them to Greece with orders that ten thousand talents be used to construct temples for the gods."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, II, 13

Alexander´s assault on the citadel of the Mallians:

"…that through Fortune the foreign host was prevailing beyond its deserts, but through Virtue the Greeks were holding out beyond their ability? And if the enemy gains the upper hand, this will be the work of Fortune or of some jealous deity or of divine retribution; but if the Greeks prevail, it will be Virtue and daring, friendship and fidelity, that will win the guerdon of victory? These were, in fact, the only support that Alexander had with him at this time, since Fortune had put a barrier between him and the rest of his forces and equipment, fleets, horse, and camp.Finally, the Macedonians routed the barbarians, and, when they had fallen, pulled down their city on their heads."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, II, 13

In conquering and civilising the barbarians, both the cities established and the form of government, law and culture is Greek:

"Yet no such busy wars as these employed their time in civilizing wild and barbarous kings, in building Grecian cities among rude and unpolished nations, nor in settling government and peace among people that lived without humanity or control of law."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 4

"But Alexander, building above seventy cities among the barbarous nations, and as it were showing the Grecian customs and constitutions all over Asia, quite weaned them from their former wild and savage manner of living."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 5

"It may, however, be more justly averred of those whom Alexander subdued, had they not been vanquished, they had never been civilized. Egypt had not vaunted her Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia her Seleucia; Sogdiana had not gloried in her Propthasia, nor the Indians boasted their Bucephalia, nor Caucasus its neighboring Grecian city; by the founding of all which barbarism was extinguished and custom changed the worse into better."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 5

"But it behooves us also, as it were, to make a new coin, and to stamp a new face of Grecian civility upon the barbarian metal."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 5

In the treatment and distinguishment of Greeks and barbarians:

"But Alexander made good his words by his deeds; for he did not, as Aristotle advised him, rule the Grecians like a moderate prince and insult over the barbarians like an absolute tyrant; nor did he take particular care of the first as his friends and domestics, and scorn the latter as mere brutes and vegetables…"

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 6

"Nor would he that Greeks and barbarians should be distinguished by long garments, targets, scimitars, or turbans; but that the Grecians should be known by their virtue and courage, and the barbarians by their vices and their cowardice…"

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 6

"But I would gladly have been a spectator of those majestic and sacred nuptials, when, after he had betrothed together a hundred Persian brides and a hundred Macedonian and Greek bridegrooms, he placed them all at one common table within the compass of one pavilion embroidered with gold, as being all of the same family…"

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 7

Next Plutarch tells us of the imposition of Greek religion:

"Most admirable philosophy! which induced the Indians to worship the Grecian Deities…"

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 5

"But Alexander engaged both Bactria and Caucasus to worship the Grecian Gods, which they had never known before."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 5

Of Alexander´s descent, which would not be seen as "noble" in Plutarch´s eyes if it was not Greek:

"…the nobility of his Macedonian extraction…"

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 9

And the ultimate revenge, to see a Greek king on the throne of Persia:

"Therefore it was that Demaratus the Corinthian, an acquaintance and friend of Philip, when he beheld Alexander in Susa, bursting into tears of more than ordinary joy, bewailed the deceased Greeks, who, as he said, had been bereaved of the greatest blessing on earth, for that they had not seen Alexander sitting upon the throne of Darius."

On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander, I, 7

Conclusion:

From the side of his father, Alexander is shown clearly as descendant of Heracles and from his mother side a descendant of Aeacos. (Alex 2.1).

He is educated by Aristotle, uses as his permanent favourite book the Iliad of Homer (see Alex 8,2, 26.2-3) but wishes also other Greek books to be sent to him.

The inscription of Alexander with the first booty is clear and Macedonians are included as Greeks. (see Alex.16.18)

After conquering Egypt Alexander wishes to found "a great Greek city with many people" (Alex. 26.4 and Moralia 328B). The Priest of Ammon adresses Alexander in Greek (Alex. 27.9).

In Alexander´s Live, Macedonians are included in the general Greek race and those who are opposed to Persians and the rest of Barbarian tribes of Asia are called greeks and not Macedonians (Alex. 33.1-4)

Alexander campaigns in Asia in the name of Greeks in order to revenge the campaign of Xerxes against Greece (see Alex. 37.5, 38.4)

Before Gaugamela, Alexander encourages mainly Greeks and from Greeks he is being encouraged too (see Alex. 33.1)

After the final defeat of Darius he chooses 30,000 young Persians and orders those to be educated in Greek (see Alex. 47.6)

In the meantime he wishes to please all the Greeks by abolishing tyrranies, giving autonomy, urging Plateans to rebuild their city, sending booty even to Krotoniates in order to honour the participation of their ancestor Faylos in Medika (Alex. 34.2-3)

Alexander´s behaviour to Greeks is entirelly different from his behaviour to Barbarians. (see Alex 28.1)

Plutarch considered Macedonians as Greeks by distinguishing them always from Barbarians. (see Cleomenes 27.3; 30.1-3; Pyrrhus 16.8; Alexander 9.1;11.3; 11.5; 16.15; 16.18; 20.11;24.13; 28.11; 33.1; 33.4; 35.2; 38.7)

Like we can easily realize from this plethora of hard evidence, Plutarch draws the same conclusion as the other ancient historians and verifies the Greekness of ancient Macedonians. Following Polybius, neither Plutarch is helpful at all to the petty efforts of the Slavs from FYROM who are comically inclined to believe that if they could ever disprove the Greekness of ancient Macedonians, their self-made mythical link to ancient Macedonians will be somehow validated.

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Descripción de la Grecia antigua

2008-11-19T03:59:00.000-08:00

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Risto Stefov and the falsification of Ancient Macedonia History Part III

2008-11-19T03:22:00.000-08:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council

November 18, 2008

The common definition of "taking text out of context" is to remove a passage from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its true meaning. In other words, a shorter extract or phrase is used purposedly in an attempt to represent the views of the person being quoted inaccurately.

The latter certainly became an effective tool on the hands of the usual peddlers of false history; originating mainly from the "most radical Slavic groups" of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) as Prof. Eugene Borza [1] correctly concluded. Since the overwhelming evidence was against their illusions de grandeur, they had to invent an effective way to present the facts distorted in their favour, and misinterpreting positions became a usual tactic.

If the source in question disagrees with their position, FYROM´s propagandists will try to diminish the validity of the source or instead they will present quotes which allegedly suggest that this source is supportive of their own position. Material that allegedly uphold this position is often taken out of context. Exposition that is at odds with the argument being made in the same text is excluded or otherwise obscured. In summary, we have a plain misrepresentation of the source´s position created by FYROM´s propaganda machine for the purpose of having a deliberate overstatement of the actual position to their own favour.

This common practise can be found on the series of articles signed by Risto Stefov in regards to the ancient Macedonian history. For instance, in one of his latest article ironically titled "Australian Macedonian Advisory Council and the falsification of Ancient Macedonian history Part 8" we are becoming witnesses to the quite amusing attempt of the author to provide deliberate misrepresentations from the writings of the Ancient Greek historian, Polybius. In essence his whole attempt is proved to be unsuccessful and quite comical.

In this article we will present a number of "mis-interpreted" ancient quotes to prove how the Slavs of FYROM exploit the ancient sources to dispute the Greek identity of the Ancient Macedonians.

1. "(Book XVIII. 5) Philip V from Macedon responds to the Greek and Roman demands:"

Firstly, note the intentional distortion of the truth committed by the author through the line " Philip V from Macedon responds to the Greek and Roman demands." Of course Polybius refers in the first case solely to the demands of the Romans' allies and not "the Greek" ones as the author´s wishful thinking. The Roman allies were namely the representative of Attalos, the Rodian, the Achaean and finally the Aitolians. Note also among the Roman Allies the presence of a representative of the…Attalid Macedonian Dynasty.

Philip V of Macedon

2. Furthermore, through the few quotes isolated, the author proves himself quite ignorant of Polybius works by emphasizing alleged differentiations between Macedonians and Southern Greeks. To understand any issue clearly, one must understand all the important factors that enable one to give a precise account of what is at stake. Obviously, the author 'accidentally' missed all the series of "differentiations" which Polybius appear to use a lot namely with Greek people as Mantineians [2], Epirotans [3], Eleans [4], Byzantines [5] , Spartans [6], Achaeans [7], or even Greek individuals as Eumenes [8], Gelon [9], Hieron [10], etc.

3. Another important point we have to deal more is the use of the term "Hellas" in Polybius. Contrarily to Risto Stefov´s allegations, Polybius account shows Macedonia was part of Hellas.

In the treaty of Alliance between the Macedonian King Philip V and Hannibal of Carthage we read:

in the presence of the Genius of Carthage; …and in the presence of all the gods who possess Carthage; and in the presence of ALL THE GODS who possess MACEDONIA AND THE REST OF HELLAS; and in the presence of all the gods of the army who preside over this oath." [11]

OR while describing the greatest mountains in Hellas:

"Polybios also in talking of the size and height of the Alps compares them the greatest mountains in HELLAS: Taugetos, Lykaion, Parnassos, OLYMPOS, Pilion, and Ossa; and Aimos, Rodopi and Dounax in Thrace." [12]

4. Certainly, the usual habit widely used by FYROM´s propaganda machine (which is to omit critical parts of an ancient source) could not possibly be absent from Risto Stefov's articles. An example of this is in this very same passage, which is deliberately taken out of context; even Philip V of Macedon verifies he is Greek [13]:

"Then, turning again to Alexander, "You ask me," he said, "Alexander, why I annexed Lysimachia. 6 It was in order that it should not, owing to your neglect, be depopulated by the Thracians, as has actually happened since I withdrew to serve in this war those of my troops who were acting not as you say as its garrison, but as its guardians. 7 As for the people of Cius, it was not I who made war on them, but when Prusias did so I helped him to exterminate them, and all through your fault. 8 For on many occasions when I AND THE OTHER GREEKS sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law.

And although it must be very frustrating for the Slavonic people from FYROM, the facts are that the Ancient Macedonians are indeed referring to themselves as Greek.

5. Throughout this outrageous falsification of history, the author also 'missed' (possibly on purpose), Polybius's views about Ancient Macedonians. It is quite evident that Polybius indeed considered the Ancient Macedonians as Greeks:

"The 38th book contains the completion of the disaster of the HELLENES. For though both the WHOLE of Hellas AND her several PARTS had often met with mischance, yet to none of her former defeats can we more fittingly apply, the name of disaster with all it signifies than to the events of my own time. ...In the time I am speaking of a COMMON misfortune befell the Peloponnesians, the Boiotians, the Fokians, the Euboians, the Lokrians, some of the cities on the Ionian Gulf, and finally the MACEDONIANS. " [14]

6. Moreover, anyone who has read Polybius's account, would witness a constant differentation being made between Macedonians and Barbarians; revealing that another widely used blatant assertion of Risto Stefov, that is: "Macedonians were considered as Barbarians" is completely inaccurate. Macedonians are constantly juxtaposed to Barbarians.

In fact, through Polybius's work we note that Macedonians "never cease from fighting the Barbarians for the sake and security of Greece". Specifically, Polybius says [15]":

"While you have no defence to offer for any of these acts you pride yourselves on having resisted the attack of the barbarians on Delphi, and say that the Greeks ought to be grateful to you for this. But if thanks are due to the Aetolians for this single service, how highly should we honour the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greatest danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honourable ambition of their kings?"

Or even:

"Antiochus traversed the worst part of the road in the manner I have described, safely but very slowly and with difficulty, only just reaching the pass of Mount Labus on the eighth day. 2 The barbarians were collected there, convinced that they would prevent the enemy from crossing, and a fierce struggle now took place, in which the barbarians were forced back for the following reason. 3 Formed in a dense mass they fought desperately against the phalanx face to face, but while it was still night the light-armed troops had made a wide detour and occupied the heights in their rear, and the barbarians, the moment they noticed this, were panic-stricken and took to flight. 4 The king made every effort to restrain his men from continuing the pursuit, summoning them back by bugle-call, as he wanted his army to descend into Hyrcania unbroken and in good order. "

A thourough analysis of Polybius leads to the conclusion that Risto Stefov has made many erroneous assertions. It is blantantly obvious from the following excerpt from Polybius account where Lyciscus, the Acarnanian envoy is speaking about the Pan-Hellenic campaign of Alexander to enslave the barbarians where "he made Asia subject to Greece" [14]:

"…he (Alexander) inflicted punishment on the Persians for their outrages on all the Greeks, and how he delivered us all from the greatest evils by enslaving the barbarians and depriving them of the resources they used for the destruction of the Greeks, pitting now the Athenians and now the Thebans against the ancestors of these Spartans, how in a word he made Asia subject to Greece."

Lastly, another passage from Polybius [15] where we have undoubted evidence on the Greek ethnicity of Ancient Macedonians, is the following excerpt where we find a clear distinction between the Romans, (who are called clearly a foreign race), and the Macedonians as Greeks, being from "the same Race of the Achaeans and Spartans":

Far from being similar, the circumstances are now the reverse of what they formerly were. 7 Then your rivals in the struggle for supremacy and renown were the Achaeans and MACEDONIANS, PEOPLES OF YOUR OWN RACE, and Philip was their commander. But now Greece is threatened with a war against men of a FOREIGN RACE who intend to enslave her, 8 men whom you fancy you are calling in against Philip, but are calling in really against yourselves and the whole of Greece."

Alexander The Great King of all Hellenes

A shining example of the above is the fact that Macedonians were a part of the Hellenic Alliance or symmachia, a league consisting of Macedonians, Thessalians, Arcananians, Phocians, Epirotes and Beotians under the command of Antigonos as Polybius informs us.[16]

the Achaean magistrates refused the latter request on the ground that they were not empowered to receive additional members without consulting Philip and the rest of the allies. For the alliance was still in force which Antigonus had concluded during the Cleomenic war between the Achaeans, Epirots, Phocians, Macedonians, Boeotians, Acarnanians,º and Thessalians. They, however, agreed to march out to their assistance on condition that the envoys deposited in Sparta their own sons as hostages, to ensure that the Messenians should not come to terms with the Aetolians without the consent of the Achaeans.

"Polybius "The Histories", 4.9.4

Polybius also sheds more light in the religion of ancient Macedonians and he proves without doubt that ancient Macedonians shared the same religion with the rest of Greeks. [11]

"This is a sworn treaty made between us, Hannibal the general, Mago, Myrkan, Barmokar and all other Carthaginian senators present with him, and all Carthaginians serving under him, on the one side, and Xenophanes the Athenian, son of Kleomachos, the envoy whom King Philip, son of Demetrios, sent to us on behalf of himself, and the Macedonians and allies, on the other side.

`In the presence of ZEUS, HERA and APOLLO; in the presence of the Genius of Carthage; …and in the presence of all the gods who possess Carthage; and in the presence of ALL THE GODS who possess Macedonia AND THE REST OF HELLAS; and in the presence of all the gods of the army who preside over this oath. Thus said Hannibal the general and all the Carthaginian senators along with him and the Carthaginian soldiers: ..That King Philip and the Macedonians AND the REST OF THE HELLENES who are their allies shall protect the Carthaginians,… King Philip and the Macedonians AND the OTHER HELLENES who are their allies shall be protected and guarded by the Carthaginians…"

In summary and contrary to Risto Stefov´s incredibly falsified version of ancient History in order to fit his political agenda, we can conclude from Polybius account:

1. Polybius verifies ancient Macedonians are Greek, sharing a common misfortune with the rest of Greeks

2. Polybius verifies ancient Macedonians viewed themselves as Greek which is explicit from the words of Philip V, king of Macedon.

3. Polybius verifies Ancient Greeks viewed Macedonians as being Greeks and particularly being part of the same Race with other Greek people like it is evidentially documented by the account of Lyciscus.

4. Polybius verifies ancient Macedonians are entirely differentiated with Barbarians, shattering the main argument of FYROM´s propaganda while he adds that "Macedonians never cease from fighting the Barbarians for the sake and security of Greece" and their king was the "Benefactor of Greece".

5. Polybius verifies Alexander´s campaign was a Pan-Hellenic campaign where in essence Alexander "made Asia subject to Hellas"

6. Polybius verifies ancient Macedonians shared the same religion as the rest of Greece as is explicitly shown even by treaties of ancient Macedonians themselves.

1] Eugene Borza, "Macedonian Redux"

2] Polybius "The Histories", 2.58.11

3] Polybius "The Histories", 2.7.4

4] Polybius "The Histories", 4.73-74

5] Polybius "The Histories", 4.38.6-10

6] Polybius "The Histories", 6.49.10

7] Polybius "The Histories", 28.6.1-2

8] Polybius "The Histories", 31.6.6

9] Polybius "The Histories", 12.26.1

10] Polybius "The Histories", 7.8.6

11] Polybius "The Histories", 7.9.1-7

12] Polybius "The Histories", 34.10

13] Polybius "The Histories", 18.4.8

14] Polybius "The Histories", 38.1.1-2.8

15] Polybius "The Histories", 9.37.6-8

16] Polybius "The Histories", 4.9.4

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Statement of Greek Foreign Ministry Spokesman regarding FYROM’s recourse to the International Court of Justice

2008-11-18T02:16:00.000-08:00

Foreign Ministry spokesman Mr. George Koumoutsakos made the following statement with regard to FYROM’s instituting proceeding before to the International Court of Justice:

“Mr. Gruevski’s government, after having rejected the recent set of ideas put forward by the Personal Envoy of the Secretary-General for the name issue, Ambassador M. Nimetz, today continued his delaying tactics, by instituting proceedings at the International Court of Justice regarding an alleged violation on the part of Greece of article 11 of the 1995 Interim Accord.

It initiated this action, concealing the fact that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia itself had earlier flagrantly violated a series of fundamental articles/obligations explicitly foreseen in this Accord, but also the fundamental principle of good neighbourly relations.

In the course of the judicial process, we will have the opportunity to submit documents and memos, analyzing Greece’s positions on the undisguised and continuous violations of the Interim Accord by the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

With this action, the government of Skopje once again reaffirms that it is not interested in a swift resolution of the dispute on the issue of the country’s definitive name, as explicitly stipulated in UN Security Council Resolution 845 of 1993.

Greece will participate in this process in a self-confident and determined manner representative of the comprehensiveness, clarity and substance of its arguments.
Irrespective of the abovementioned developments, Greece remains committed to the UN negotiating process aimed at reaching a mutually acceptable solution on the name issue. It further firmly stands by its well-known positions.”

source :Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Pseudo Macedonia ideology a fallacy

2008-11-17T03:11:00.000-08:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council

The Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) chief propagandist representing their diaspora community, Mr. Stefov (a.k.a Christos Stefou) continues to persist with his Ancient Macedonian non Hellenic ideology.

Since it's been comprehensibly proved beyond doubt that today's citizens of Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) have no connection whatsoever with Philip II and Alexander III, Stefov is now attempting to discredit the Greek connection with antiquity (Are Modern Greeks direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks?), irrelevant that the Greek language has the longest documented history of any Indo-European language - spanning 34 centuries.

Greek has been written in the Greek alphabet since the 9th century BC in Ancient Greece. Greek literature has a continuous history of nearly 3,000 years. There is no relevance as to what happened with the bloodlines over the centuries; the language survived death, invasions,ethnic cleansing,famines, earthquakes, foreign migration, colonisation, civil wars, plagues etc. So Mr. Stefou (his real Greek name) has to answer the question: how did the language survive whereas in other regions where Greeks became the minority it didn´t?

Secondly, the FYROM(ian) propagandist Mr. Stefou, must also be asked: why does he persist in denying Greeks their Macedonian heritage? Greeks have lived in the region of Macedonia well before the Pontian and Asia Minor migrations of 1922; we the Australian Macedonian Advisory Council (AMAC) are the children of the indigenous people of the area. Why would we allow these Slavonic people to exclusively claim the name 'Macedonia', yet we who also come from the region of Macedonia and some of us who even speak the local Slavic sounding dialect, are denied our human right of self determination? I demand to be called a 'Macedonian'; Mr. Stefou our committee is the Australian Macedonian Advisory Council (AMAC), and we are proud indigenous Macedonians of Greek heritage.

Mr. Stefou, why is it so hard for you to accept this? Is it because we do not agree with your own pseudo ideology? We as indigenous Macedonians accept our Hellenic ancestry; we know who we are where we come from our culture and customs, obviously you and your fellow citizens from Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) are easily confused. A change of personality and identity from one day to the next occurs frequently amongst your population.

Once you were Bulgarians then Vardaskans,then Yugoslavians and now "Macedonians". Which ethnicity will it be next?

Like your other accomplice 'Gandeto' whose real name is 'Grezlovski'; why do you keep switching from one personality to another? Just like you own self (and the citizens of your country), it seems it also applies to your logic and writing one contradiction to another.. When will this end? Again, we continue to prove to you your clear misguided theories, and again we have to explain to the the world your absurd fallacies and mythologies. Educated people can easily see through your propaganda, but unfortunately uneducated people can become confused. Propagandists have no shame,as was shown during WWII, The Cold War, The Young Turks, American Imperialism,Communism, Globalization,The Bush Administration etc..

In your previous article you quote Livy; yet one famous quote from the same historian that clearly states the truth on the matter:

"Aetolians, Acarnanians, Macedonians,men of the same language"(T. Livius XXXI,29, 15)

That says it all about Livy as he clearly defines the Macedonians as the same Greeks.

"General Paulus of Rome surrounded by the ten Commissioners took his official seat surrounded by the whole crowds of Macedonians…Paulus announced in Latin the decisions of the Senate, as well as his own, made by the advice of his council. This announcement was translated into Greek and repeated by Gnaeus Octavius the Praetor-for he too was present."(T. Livius,XLV)

Again why would they translate in Greek and not in "Macedonian" if they weren't Greek?

Then we have your new claims about David G. Hogarth(Greek Australian Advisory Council and the falsification of Ancient Macedonian history Part 7)

Lets see what this historian writes and compare your theories and misquotes..

"The ancient East"

By D.G Hogarth

Page 80

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It Macedonia was inhabited by sturdy gentry and peasantry and by agile highlanders, all composed of the same racial elements as the Greeks,with perhaps a preponderant infusion of northern blood which had come south long ago with emigrants from the Danubian lands

The social development of the Macedonians - to give various peoples one generic name - had, for certain reasons, not been nearly so rapid as that of their southern cousins. They had never come in contact with the higher Aegean civilization, nor had they mixed their blood with that of cultivated predecessors

Page 81

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A year after Chaeronea Philip was named by the congress of Corinth Captain-General of all Greeks to wreak the secular vengeance of Hellas on Persia

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While Philip was in Thebes as a young man, old Agesilaus, who first of Greeks had conceived the idea of invading the inland East, was still seeking a way to realize his oft-frustrated project.

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The idea had certainly been long in the air that any military power which might dominate Hellas would be bound primarily by self-interest and secondarily by racial duty to turn its arms against Asia

page 88

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Looked as a whole, and not only from a Seleucid point of view, the ancient East, during the century following Seleucus´death (forty-three years after Alexander´s) was dominated politically by Hellenes over fuly nine-tenths of its area.

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As for Seleucus and his successors, thought the latter, from Antiochus Soter onward, had a strain of Iranian blood, they held and proved themselves essentially Hellenic.

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Ptolemy Lagus and all the Lagidae remained Macedonian Greeks to a man and a woman and to the bitter end, with the greatest Hellenic city in the world for their seat

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As for the remaining tenth part of the East, almost the whole of it was ruled by princes who claimed the title "Philhellene" and justified it not only by political friendlisness to the Seleucidae and the Western Greeks, bt also by encouraging Greek settlers and Greek manners.

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Tradition held the other element to be Hellenic, and no one in the fourth century seriously questioned its belief. "Philip and Alexander of Macedon"

by David G. Hogarth, page 5

Quote:

The king [of macedon] was chief in the first instance of a race of plain-dwellers, who held themselves to be, like him, of Hellenic stock "Philip and Alexander of Macedon"

by David G. Hogarth, page 8

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From Alexander I, who rode to the Athenian pickets the night before Plataea and proclaimed himself to the generals their friend and a Greek, down to Amyntas, father of Philip, who joined forces with Lacedaemon in 382, the kings of Macedon bid for greek support by being more Hellenic than the Hellenes.

"Philip and Alexander of Macedon" by David G. Hogarth, page 9-10

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Archelaus patronized Athenian poets and Athenian drama and commisioned Euripides to dramatize the deeds of his Argive ancestor.

"Philip and Alexander of Macedon" by David G. Hogarth, page 10

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"Macedonia" therefore, throughout historical times until the accession of Philip the Second, presents the spectacle of a nation that was no nation, but a group of discordant units, without community of race, religion, speech or sentiment, resultant from half-accomplished conquest and weak as the several sticks of the faggot in the fable.

Philip and Alexander of Macedon" by David G. Hogarth, page 10

D.G.Hogarth quotes

As you can see Mr. Stefou we have shown the facts, and produced the evidence clearly and comprehensively by both Livy and Hogarth; and both these two historians state the Hellenic culture and Macedonia's place in the Ancient Greek world. The propaganda Mr. Stefou must end now, if you are to join the rest of us in the educated sphere; because in the end you only serve to discredit yourself in the eyes of the educated.

Footnote

It seems that the other propagandist the "alleged"historian the pseudo Italian (FYROMian by birth Grezlovski)J.S.Gandeto has just accused us of falsification of historical quotes

A Greek case of blatant hypocrisy

Yet here we have the original in Latin which clearly defines the language as homogenous meaning Greek.I ask again to this "alleged" historian that seems to have a post graduate diploma from Disneyland can he not see the obvious?Can this person discredit himself like this?Can Mr.Gandeto read clearly or does his hatred of Greeks and Greece hold no bounds?

Aetolos Acarnanas Macedonas, eiusdem linguae homines, leues ad tempus ortae causae diiungunt coniunguntque: cum alienigenis, cum barbaris aeternum omnibus Graecis bellum est eritque; natura enim, quae perpetua est, non mutabilibus in diem causis hostes sunt. sed unde coepit oratio mea, ibi desinet.

Now we'll translate it for you word for word Mr.Grezlovski...

Trifling causes occasionally unite and disunite the Aetolians, Acarnanians, and Macedonians, men speaking the same language. With foreigners, with barbarians, all Greeks have, and ever will have, eternal war: because they are enemies by nature, which is always the same, and not from causes which change with the times.

Now is that clear for you sir?

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Serbs in FYROM: Historical Presence and the Current Status

2008-11-17T03:01:00.000-08:00

Serbs in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia(FYROM) are an extension from the central parts of Serbian ethnicity, related to archaic groups in Kosovo and Metohija as well to a larger degree, with the basin of river Morava. That Serbs are found among early medieval Slav settlers of the Vardar/Axios region is confirmed by sources which identify the city of Gordoservon in Asia Minor as founded by introduction of Serb captives from the aforementioned area. The exact nature and scope of this early Serbian settlement in FYROM is not known, but it can be safely assumed that it was minuscule and any demographic and ethnolinguistic influence was probably lost in the Byzanto-Bulgarian struggles of the next few centuries.

Serbians established their massive presence in Povardarje (today's FYROM) and parts of Macedonia (Northern Greece) after King Milutin's conquest of Polog, Skoplje and Ovče Polje area in northernmost Povardarje in 1282. The catastrophic defeat of Bulgarians at the Battle of Velbužd (Ćustendil) in 1330 inflicted by the Serbian army removed the final challenge to Serbian authority in Povardarje.

Conclusive with the act of coronation of Stephan Dušan in his capital Skoplje, Serbian population was implanted in both Pologs, in enclaves around Debar, in the wider regions of Skoplje and Ovče Polje and in small extent in Greek cities of Kastoria and Serres, which together with the southern area of FYROM compromised the part of Dušan's Empire whose Greek character was observed as the cultural policy of the Nemanjić court.

The period of the Serbian rule in Povardarje was characterized by strong cultural initiative in the domain of ecclesiastic art, primarily architecture. Several hundreds of Christian temples build or substantially reconstructed in the relatively brief Serbian period of Povardarje testify to the intensity and maturity of Serbian culture of the era. "Dušan's Law", a legal codex and a de facto constitution of the late medieval Serbian state proclaimed in Skoplje as well as the great number of manuscripts and epigraphic monuments produced in that era do not mention "Macedonians", in contrast with other ethnic groups such as Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Bulgarians and Saxons.

The abrupt end of Serbian domination of Povardarje came with the invasion of Ottoman Turks, a militant Asiatic tribe which confronted the Serb defenders at Marica (Černomen) in 1371 in a battle described by the contemporaries as clash of Serbs and Greeks against the Turks.

Devoid of freedom and without centralist institutions, with the exception of the inclusion of northern FYROM under jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Peć in 17th and 18th century, Serbs as well as other local Christians were forced to the status of "dhimi", marginalized and enslaved population that theoretically enjoyed scriptural protection granted by Muslim overlords.

It would appear that there are the central trend in the history of FYROM was its De-Serbization in cultural and demographic sense and the reemergence of the Bulgarian rural population. While this process was not either linear nor it is complete, in the light of total absence of works about the history, language and culture by science of FYROM organized along lines of Pseudomacedonian supremacy, few aspects of Serbian presence in early and middle Ottoman period deserve mention.

Western and local Catholic sources generally acknowledge that Skoplje (today's Skopje, the capital of FYROM) as well as Kratovo, a town located east from Skoplje, have a Serbian character. This was reported by Jakov Sorranzo in 1575, Martin Crusius and Aleksandar Komulović in 1584, Nicolo Longi in 1622, Bishop Peter of Sophia in 1665, Urban Cerri in 1680. Bishop Peter Bogdani in 1685, Bishop of Cotor Marin Drago in 1690 are more specific, mentioning Skoplje's Serbian and Greek population. These ethnic groups are mentioned also by Bishop Matija Masarek in 1770 and 1790.

Orthodox clerics Bratan Ivanov, Dimitrije Petrov and Mihailo of Kratovo were registered in historical sources as Serbs upon their arrival in Russia, during the middle phase of Ottoman rule.

Furthemore, one of the most common male names among the Slavs of Povardarje registered by Turkish demographic records is "Srbin" (a Serb) which was popular even at the beginning of the 20th century. Undoubtedly, it was given as a way to express nostalgia for the Nemanjići period, the last Slavic epoch of freedom.

The beginning of the last phase of De-Serbization of Povardarje started with the partial forced assimilation out of the circumstances created by the Serbian uprisings in 1804 and 1815 on the territory of today's Serbia, when a number of Serbs took the Bulgarian ethnic name out of conformism. This phenomena was accelerated with the dying of Serbian schools in northern FYROM by the middle of the 19th century and their replacement by the school system of the Bulgarian Exarchate founded in 1871.

The emancipation of the surrounding Bulgarian population, primarily as a reaction against perceived eminent status of the Greek clergy and the emerging class of Greek bourgeoisie in southern towns of FYROM further created preconditions for assimilation of the Serb population already weakened and marginalized from participation in the wider emergence of nationalist sentiments. It is only after beginning of propagandist activity sponsored by official Belgrade in the late 19th century and the appearance of Serbian paramilitary, the Četniks, after 1904 that the described process of ethnic melting was halted and partially reversed.

It should be emphasized that the competition of nationalities in the Povardarje region in the closing years of 19th and the first years of 20th century caused more often than not a confusion with regard of self-determination of local individuals.

Finally, the ideology of "Macedonism"appeared as an embrionic form and precursor to creation of the nominally "Macedonian" nation in Tito's Yugoslavia after 1944, although in the preceding decades it was nothing more than intellectual concept nurtured among few people, in opposition of the all-pervasive Bulgarian national feeling south of Skoplje and north and eastern of Pelagonia registered by great number of foreign visitors and recognized by scholars as such. The Serb presence in FYROM in the closing decades of Turkish rule in Europe was nevertheless registered by travelers such as J. Muller, C. Robert, E. Spencer, I. S. Jastrebov, K. Ostreich and others.

Among ethnographic customs the archaic and exclusively Serbian custom of "Krsna Slava", festivity in honor of a Patron Saint, observed even today in spite of decades of Communist oppression of spirituality in general and the Christians in particular, serves as a certain marker of Serbian ancestry of a great number of "Macedonians" of South Slavic type, chiefly in northern and western Povardarje regions.

The legacy of decades of Marxist-Titoist concept of social organization in the Ex-Yugoslav republic and the post-1992 process of symbolic De-Slavization of the "Macedonian" identity in FYROM proved as an obstacle to consolidation of the Serbian identity at local level. The name "Macedonia" for a region belonging to the ancient regions of Paeonia and Dardania substituted the geographic name (southern) Serbia from the north of the country. Scholarship about the Serbian language, folklore and ethnology became non-existent due to the acquired reorientation of the public discourse towards building a fictional "Macedonian" identity rooted in classical antiquity. The presence of ethnic Serbs in FYROM, which numbers over 180. 000 people, mostly undeclared as such due to social pressure, was acknowledged by the constitution of the young Balkan nation only in 2002.

Pressure towards Serbs in FYROM continues as an unofficial policy and as folkoristic phenomena according to which they are mixture of "colonists" from Serbia and other areas of former Yugoslavia on one hand and "srbomani", I. e. "Macedonians" or Bulgarians – depending on the perspective – which converted into Serbianism and are, by implication, traitors from the "Macedonian" collective guided by opportunism. Such stigmatization is part of a broader policy of homogenization of the entities characterized by Orthodox Christian affinity, including Greeks, Greek-Vlachs and conscious Bulgarians, under the banner of Pseudomacedonian ideology.

It remains to be seen are Serbs in FYROM going to prevail the local atmosphere of quiet dehumanization and "Macedonisation" in light of the phlegmatic attitude of Serbia with regard to cultural sponsorship of Serbian communities abroad. Modest successes regarding ethnic preservation and creation of ethnic metaphysical values after the change of the FYROMian constitution are encouraging signs, but complete revitalization of the local Serbian national culture can be achieved only in opposition to "Macedonizing" trends and creation of political appeal against national defeatism and fatalism.

Vasko Gligorijević

Skoplje, FYROM

FYROM’s Travel Agency site admits the Greekness of ancient Macedonians

2008-11-13T07:18:00.000-08:00

Its surprising that in FYROM, a place where the state-imposed propaganda has almost succeed in silencing the openminded voices that dare to speak the truth, we will find sources which speak their minds against the ultra-nationalistic general tedencies. One example of the latter comes from the site of Inter Kont travel Agency: (interkont.com.mk/en/12.htm). Our compliments to the site owners and we hope their openmindness finds more examples in their country.

Source:History Of Macedonia

WIPO Registrations that trademark the 16, 12 and 8 Sun/Star as Greek Emblem

2008-11-13T02:58:00.000-08:00

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Risto Stefov and the falsification of Ancient Macedonian History Part II

2008-11-10T00:45:00.000-08:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
November 08, 2008

A couple of days ago, in an article entitled ´Australian Macedonian Advisory Council and the falsification of Ancient Macedonian history Part 1″ signed by Risto Stefov http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/79623, we had the opportunity to witness once more the same desperate attempts by the same author with compilations of isolated phrases from authors which in reality contradict his main claims, aimed to somehow assist the mythology disseminating by FYROM´s Slavonic people upon unsuspected readers.

In general, it is productive to cite as a supporting evidence someone who has specialized knowledge of the specific field in question, and even more if he appears to be one of the leading authorities. What is counter-productive though, is the selective quotation applied blatantly in the article of Mr. Stefov, while simultaneously it is omitted completely anything which doesn´t fit the author´s political agenda.

Apparently, since the works of Eugene Borza - the so-called “Macedonian specialist” are overwhelmingly accepted, promoted and invoked as quasi-sacred documents by the Slavs of modern FYROM, then I guess Mr. Stefov and his people should also accept Borza´s account which rebukes their self-made erroneous assumption/myth upon their own ´identity´. The clearest relevant statement is to be found by Prof. Borza in his “Macedonian Redux” [1] :

“Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and “Macedonians”, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émi-grés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity.”. Essentially the same authority used previously by Mr. Stefov, has managed to contradict and debunks his allegations in his own articles, attempting to link Slavic people with antiquity. At least now we meet a couple of people who belong to these “most radical Slavic Factions”!!

In another instance, Prof. Borza adds further ” During medieval and modem times, Macedonia was known as a Balkan region inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Serbs, Bulgarians, Jews, and Turks.” Sadly there goes shot down the myth of “ethnic Macedonians” promoted by the Slavs of modern FYROM in Macedonia during medieval and modern times.”[2]“the Macedonians are a newly emergent people in search of past to help legitimize their precarious present as they attempt to establish their singular identity in a Slavic world dominated historically by Serbs and Bulgarians.”[3]

From the same source we read: “The emergence of a Macedonian nationality is an offshoot of the joint Macedonian and Bulgarian struggle against Hellenization. With the establishment of an independent Bulgarian state and church in the 1870s, however, the conflict took a new turn. Until this time the distinction between “Macedonian” and “Bulgarian” hardly existed beyond the dialect differences between standard “eastern” Bulgarian and that spoken in the region of Macedonia.”[4] In essence Eugene Borza accepts the testimonies of the vast majority of contemporary scholars, travellers, diplomats and other eye-witnesses who identified the ancestors of FYROM´s Slavs plainly as Bulgarians.

Therefore, I shall limit myself to restate the American´s scholar main conclusions in regards to the Slavs of Modern FYROM:

1. Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and “Macedonians”, CANNOT establish a link with antiquity.

2. During Medieval and Modern times, there were NOT any “ethnic Macedonians” but merely Macedonia was “a region inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Serbs, Bulgarians, Jews, and Turks”.

3. The emergence of a Macedonian nationality is an OFFSHOOT of the joint Macedonian and Bulgarian struggle against Hellenization.

4. Until the 1870s, there was HARDLY any distinction between the terms “Macedonian” and “Bulgarian” beyond the dialect differences between standard “eastern” Bulgarian and that spoken in the region of Macedonia.”

How is it possible then that so many and superbly competent scholars verify along with the massive amount of testimonies by self-witnessing contemporary accounts the Bulgarian origins of Slavs from modern FYROM, but they shamefully insist on denying the reality?? Simply because all these accounts hit upon uncomfortable truths.

It is depressing that the average citizen of FYROM is bombarded daily with such flagrant fairy tales of an alleged connection with ancient people, instead of tackling the most pressing problems of this state, namely unemployment, corruption, poverty, etc.

So, please, Mr. Stefov and others who frequently adopt and treat Prof. Borza´s work as having undisputed diachronic ´value´, at last make up your minds and stop your hypocrisy and double standards. Its you who always find it so easy to distribute ad naseum over and over Prof. Borza´s work as being essentially beyond any criticism because they originate from an “authority”, as commonly stated by the ‘Slavic internet warriors of FYROM’. You cannot simply selectively isolate and use only what fits your political agenda.

Furthermore, before we have an extensive analysis on the nature of ancient Macedonians, I have to highlight the striking inconsistencies in the specific text used by Risto Stefov. The claim in the beginning “From the surviving literary sources (Hesiod, Herodotus, and Thucydides) there is little information about Macedonian origins” is partly correct but appears a little misleading.

The surviving literary sources points out ancient Macedonians being Greek. For instance, Professor NGL Hammond, an eminent historian, generally accepted as foremost authority in ancient Macedonian history, convincingly mentions about Hesiod: “Hesiod first mentioned ‘Makedon’, the eponym of the people and the country, as a son of Zeus, a grandson of Deukalion, and so a first cousin of Aeolus, Dorus, and Xuthus; in other words he considered the ‘Makedones’ to be an outlying branch of the Greek-speaking tribes, with a distinctive dialect of their own, ‘Macedonian’.” [5]

To say the least, it is quite comical indeed for Mr. Stefov to insist the promotion of the outdated – today - account of R.A. Crossland [1982] when in the meantime there is more certainty and the specialists classify Ancient Macedonian as a dialect of Greek; specifically North-West Greek, as already been attested by most recent accounts like of the eminent linguist’s Olivier Masson [6]. Obviously R.A. Crossland´s account lacked knowledge of the major recent archaeological discoveries like the Pella Katadesmos which shed more light among specialists to the Ancient Macedonian language question and force them to consider it now as a Greek dialect.

Essentially based on the literary available evidence we can conclude the
following:

1. Alexander the Great was Greek

Alexander´s Greek descent, and in general Argead Greek lineage went unquestioned by ancient Greek and Roman writers, revealing a widely belief in ancient Greek and Roman world (including of course Macedonians themselves), the Argead royal house were Greeks descended from Argos of Peloponnese. The founder of their house belonged to the royal house of Argos, the “Temenidae”, descendants of Temenus, whose ancestor was Heracles, son of Zeus. (Diod. 17.1.5, 17.4.1; Plut, Alex 2.1-2, Fortuna 1.10 = Moratia 332a; Justin 11.4.5, 7.6.10-12, Theop. (FGTH US F3SS - Tzetzes, ad Lycophr 1439); Paus. ´Description of Greece´ 1.9.8, 7.8; Velleius Paterculus: “The Roman History” Book I.5; Isocrates: ´To Philip´ 32; Herod. 5.22.1-2, 8.43; Thuc. 2, 99, 3; Curt. 4.6.29)

2. Earliest accounts verify the earliest Macedonians as Greeks

The earliest literary accounts like Hesiodus (700 BCE) identified the earliest Macedonians as part of the greek world thus greek-speakers. Obviously if Macedonians werent Greeks but foreign people to Greeks, they wouldnt be part at all in Hesiodus´ account as Greek. After all its really irrational to have a supposedly ´non-greek´ people while migrating to rename existing foreign toponymies into Greek, like the renaming from the earliest Macedonians of the original Phrygian place-name ´Edessa´ to the Greek ´Aigae´.

3. Ancient Macedonians considered themselves as Greek

The surviving literary and archaeological evidence during Classical and Hellenistic Ages shows clearly that Macedonians considered themselves to be Greek, carriers to spread the Greek language and civilization to Asia while revenging Persians for their “crimes against Macedonia and the rest of Greece”.(Herod. 9.45; Diod. 16.93.1; Arrian 2.14.4, 3.18.11-12, I.16.10, “Indica” XXXIII; Plut- Alex. XXXIII, Moralia 332A; Curt. 5.6.1, 5.8.1; Joseph 11.8.5; Polyvius 7.9.4, 18.4.8; Liv. XXXI,29, 15; IG X,2 1 1031)

4. Ancient Greeks viewed Macedonians as Greeks

Ancient Greeks considered Macedonians as Greeks and specifically of Dorian stock. In fact ancient Greek accounts attributed some of the most patriotic Greek sentiments ever expressed to Macedonian rulers (Herodotos), described memories of the Greekness of the Makedones (Hesiodos, Hellanikos, Herodotos), mentioned their participations among Greek troops and folk, membership of Macedonia in the associations of the Greeks, namely the Delphic Amphictyony which had long been an important Panhellenic (Herodotos, Thucydides, Aichines). Hence they all verify the same conclusion. Greeks viewed Macedonians as Greeks.(Polyb., IX.35.2 (Loeb, W.R. Paton), IX.37, 38.8; Isocr, “To Philip”, 5.139, 5.140, 5.8; Callisth. ´Oration of Demosthenes´ 2.3.4.-5, 2.4.5, 2.4.7-8 ; Curtius 3.3; Arrian ´Anab. Alex´ 2.14. 4, 3.27.4-5; Pausanias, ´Phocis´ VIII.4, Eleia VIII, 11 [Loeb]) ; Strab. VII.Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones]), VII. Fr 7.1, 10.2.23; Herod. VIII.137. 1 [Loeb]), I.56.3 [Loeb, A.D. Godley]); Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 [Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White])

5. Foreign nations considered Macedonians as Greeks

The ancient Roman, Persian, Indian, Jewish, Babylonian and Carthagenian testimonies are listing Macedonians among the other Hellenes, speaking the same language and in general Macedonians are portrayed as Hellenes fighting the Barbarians. (Curt. 3.3.6, 3.7.3, 3.12.27, 4.1.10, 4.5.11, 4.5.14, 4.6.29, 4.8. 13-14, 4.10.1, 5.6.1, 5.7.3, 5.7.11, 6.9.35, 7.5.36, 7.6.1, 7.6.35; Liv. XXXI.29.15, XLV, 32.22; Cicero Orations; Ceasar ´Civ. Wars´ 111.103.3; Vel. Patercul. ´Roman history´ I.5; Justinus Un. History 7.1, 11.3.6; Aelian ´Var Historia´ VII.8, 12.37(39); Pliny ´Natural history´; Tacitus ´Annals of Imperial Rome´ Chap. 8 pg 221; Persian inscr. of ca 513, Persian story of Zulqarneen, Bahram Yasht 3.34; Edicts of Ashoka V & XIII; Maccabees 1:10, 8:18, Megillah 11a, Dan 11:2, 10:20, Isiaiah chap. 19.20, 19.23, Joel Cahp 3.v6, Habacoum cap. 2.v5; Josephus ´Antiquities of the jews´ Book 11 par 337, 109, 148, 184, 286, Book 8 para. 61, 95, 100, 154, 213, Book 10 para. 273, Book 12 para. 322, 414, Philo of Alexandria, Maimonides; Babylonian Diaries Diary No -168. A14-15)

6. Ancient Macedonian names are Greek

In contrast with all their non-greek neighbours (Illyrians, Thracians, etc) ancient Macedonian names are either Greek or derive from Greek roots in a percentage of over 95%. According to the encyclopaedia Bolsaya Sovetskaya “In 200 names born from Macedonians born before the ascent of Philip II (359b.C.), hardly 5% are of non-greek origin. Non-Greek names in small numbers can also be found in other Greek tribes.

We know some names of Gods and Heroes worshiped by the Macedonians. Among them, 39 are either pan-hellenic or worshiped by other Greek tribes, either purely macedonian, but with a Greek etymology [root]. 2 come from names of cities with a non-hellenic root but with a greek termination syllabe 3 are Thracian 1 is Egyptian All of the names of Macedonian Feasts that we know are Greek. Regarding the names of the months, 6 are common with other Greek calendars, and at least two more are also purely Greek. The idea that the Macedonians took the names of the months during their ´hellenisation´ is out of the question, as in that case they would have taken an integral Greek calendar instead of creating an amalgam of different greek calendars and, more important, they would never invent themselves two Greek names of months. ” All these of course are taking place at a time where the Illyrian and Thracian names have in their vast majority non-greek etymologies.

7. Ancient Macedonian was a Greek dialect

According to the eminent linquist, Olivier Masson, writing in 1996 for the “Oxford Classical Dictionary: ´Macedonian Language”. “For a long while Macedonian onomastics, which we know relatively well thanks to history, literary authors, and epigraphy, has played a considerable role in the discussion. In our view the Greek character of most names is obvious and it is difficult to think of a Hellenization due to wholesale borrowing. ´Ptolemaios´ is attested as early as Homer, ´Ale3avdros´ occurs next to Mycenaean feminine a-re-ka-sa-da-ra- (´Alexandra´), ´Laagos´, then ´Lagos´, matches the Cyprian ´Lawagos´, etc. The small minority of names which do not look Greek, like ´Arridaios´ or ´Sabattaras´, may be due to a substratum or adstatum influences (as elsewhere in Greece).

Macedonian may then be seen as a Greek dialect, characterised by its marginal position and by local pronunciations (like ´Berenika´ for ´Ferenika´, etc.). Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it an Aeolic dialect (O.Hoffmann compared Thessalian) we must by now think of a link with North-West Greek (Locrian, Aetolian, Phocidian, Epirote). This view is supported by the recent discovery at Pella of a curse tablet (4th cent. BC) which may well be the first ´Macedonian´ text attested (provisional publication by E.Voutyras; cf. the Bulletin Epigraphique in Rev.Et.Grec.1994, no.413); the text includes an adverb ´opoka´ which is not Thessalian.
We must wait for new discoveries, but we may tentatively conclude that Macedonian is a dialect related to North-West Greek.”(Pausanias Messeniaka XXIX.3; Strabo 7.7.8; Plutarch Pyrrhus II.1, XI.4; . Livius XXXI.29.15, XLV; Curtius VII.5.29, VII 9.25 - 11.7)

8. Alexander´s campaign Pan-Hellenic character

Alexander the Great launched a Pan-hellenic campaign against Persia and through his conquests spread Hellenism in a vast colonizing wave throughout the Near East and created economically and culturally, a single world stretching from Greece to the Punjab in India with Greek (koine) as lingua franca. He built a network of almost thirty Greek cities throughout the empire, a building program that was expanded by later Hellenistic rulers. These became enclaves of Greek culture. Here gymnasia, baths, and theaters were built.

The upper classes spoke koine Greek, wore Greek dress, absorbed Greek learning, adopted Greek customs, and took part in Greek athletics. Ancient sources reports as such and the pan-hellenic character of his campaign were the definitive statements of the Macedonian royalty and nobility. (Aelian ´Varia Historia´ 13.11; Arrian I.16.7, I12.1-2, Plutarch Ages. 15.4, Moralia I, 328D, 329A, Alex. 15, 33, 37.6-7; Diod. 16.95.1-2, 17.67.1; Callisthenes 2.3.4-5, 2.4.5, 2.4.7-8, 3.1.2-4; Arrian “Indica” XXXIII, XXXVIII, XXIX, ´Anab.´ Arrian I.16.7, II, 14, 4, 3.18.11-12 ; Polybius IX.35.2, IX.34.3, 17.4.9; Curtius 3.3.6, 4.1.10-11, 4.5.11, 4.14.21, 5.6.1, 5.7.3, 5.7.11, 8.1.29)

9. Macedonians shared the same religion as the rest of Greeks

Nowadays historians agree that Macedonians had the religious and cultural features of the rest of the Hellenic world. Like other Greek regions, regional characteristics have also to be noted especially near the borders.

It is quite interesting then, the fact that Macedonians also gave these deities the familiar Greek epithets, such as Agoraios, Basileus, Olympios, Hypsistos of Zeus, Basileia of Hera, Soter of Apollo, Hagemona and Soteira of Artemis, Boulaia of Hestia, etc.

The worship of the twelve Olympian gods in Macedonia is undoubted; and it is shown explicitely in the treaty between Philip V and Hannibal of Carthage “`In the presence of ZEUS, HERA and APOLLO…and in the presence of ALL THE GODS who possess Macedonia AND THE REST OF HELLAS”. (Arrian I 11.1-2, I.11.6; Diod. 16.95.2, 16.91.5-6; Pausanias 6.18.3, 9.39.3; Ath. Deipnos. XII.537d-540a, XIII 572d-e; Diogenes Laert. 1.8; Curtius 3.7.3, 3.12.27, 4.13.15, 6.10.14, 8.2.32, 8.11.24, Plutarch ´Alexander´ 33; Polybius 7.9.1-7)

As it is evident through the surviving archaeological evidence and literary accounts, the Greek nature of ancient Macedonians is undoubted. Even if the vast majority of modern historians accept the latter as a fact, there may have been some modern historians who are still sceptical due to the scanty evidence available prior to Roman times, but there is no controversy later on.

The entirety of historical community accepts as a fact that the Macedonians were indistinguishable from the other Greeks during Roman times. They also share the same notion that the Slavs of modern FYROM are totally unrelated to Ancient Macedonians. Unfortunately none shares the views of some extremist “radical Slavic factions” as Prof. Borza put it nicely, that quite comically think that if they can prove the non-Greekness of ancient Macedonians their mythical link to ancient Macedonia will be somehow validated.

As one of their favourite writers which is quoted always selectively, namely T.J Winnifrith [7], states, “Macedonia was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds themis an unreliable mixture of propaganda and myth.

The Macedonian language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel, probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted. Do we destroy these myths or live with them?”. Apparently these “radical Slavic factions” decided to live with their myths and lies for the constant amusement of the rest of the world.

Footnotes:

1] “Macedonia Redux”, Eugene N. Borza, The Eye Expanded: Life and the Arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity, Frances B. Titchener and Richard F. Moorton, Jr., editors, p. 255
2] “Macedonia Redux”, Eugene N. Borza, The Eye Expanded: Life and the Arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity, Frances B. Titchener and Richard F. Moorton, Jr., editors, p. 252
3] “Macedonia Redux”, Eugene N. Borza, The Eye Expanded: Life and the Arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity, Frances B. Titchener and Richard F. Moorton, Jr., editors, p. 259
4]”Macedonia Redux”, Eugene N. Borza, The Eye Expanded: Life and the Arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity, Frances B. Titchener and Richard F. Moorton, Jr., editors, p. 253
5] N.G.L.Hammond, “Oxford Classical Dictionary”, 3rd ed. (1996), pp.904,905
6] “Oxford Classical Dictionary,” 3rd ed. (1996), pp.905,906
7] T.J Winnifrith. Shattered Eagles Balkan Fragments, Duckworth 1995

by Ptolemy for MacedoniaOnTheWeb

info@macedonian.com.au

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council

Οι Ομογενείς στο Αμερικανικό Κογκρέσο ...

2008-11-07T03:48:00.000-08:00

Γιώργος Μπίστης

Oυάσιγκτον 06-11-2008

Από τη Φωνή της Αμερικής

Καινούργια εποχή αρχίζει στις Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες με την ανάδειξη του Γερουσιαστή Barack Obama στην προεδρία της χώρας. Και στην καινούργια αυτή εποχή θα είναι αυξημένη κατά έναν ομογενή η δύναμη της κοινοβουλευτικής Ομάδας Προώθησης Ελληνικών Υποθέσεων στο Αμερικανικό Κογκρέσο.

Ο Barack Obama είναι ο πρώτος μαύρος ηγέτης που εκλέγεται στο ανώτατο αξίωμα της Αμερικής. Τον ιστορικό θρίαμβό του πανηγύρισαν πάνω από 100 χιλιάδες οπαδοί του, στο Σικάγο, έδρα της εκστρατείας του για τον Λευκό Οίκο, και δεκάδες εκατομμύρια άλλοι πολίτες από την τηλεόραση. Τους είπε: « Με την απόφαση που πήρατε στις κάλπες, σε αυτή την καθοριστική στιγμή της ιστορίας, φέρατε τον άνεμο της αλλαγής στην Αμερική». Ο Γερουσιαστής Obama διατηρεί στενές σχέσεις με την Ελληνοαμερικανική κοινότητα η οποία τάχτηκε σχεδόν σύσσωμα υπέρ της υποψηφιότητάς του.

Όπως ανέφερε ο ίδιος σε κάποια από τις αρχικές φάσεις της προεκλογικής εκστρατείας του: «Πάντα με εντυπωσίαζαν οι Έλληνες της Αμερικής γιατί βρίσκονται κοντά στις ρίζες τους, προασπίζονται με πάθος τα Ελληνικά εθνικά θέματα και ταυτόχρονα συνεχίζουν να είναι υπόδειγμα Αμερικανού πολίτη».

Παράλληλα την Τρίτη επανεκλέχθηκαν άνετα όλοι οι ομογενείς νομοθέτες που υπηρετούν σήμερα στην Αμερικανική Βουλή των Αντιπροσώπων.

Σαρωτική ήταν η νίκη του βουλευτή John Sarbanes, Γιάννη Σαρμπάνη, από την Βαλτιμόρη και τα περίχωρά της. Ο Λακωνικής καταγωγής νομοθέτης κατατρόπωσε τον αντίπαλό του παίρνοντας το 70 τοις εκατό των ψήφων. Ένας από τους στόχους του είναι να μεταβιβαστεί στις νέες γενιές Ελληνοαμερικανών η περηφάνια που έχουν για την εθνική κληρονομιά τους οι γενιές του μετανάστη παππού του, του πατέρα του και η δική του.

Κατά την άποψή του Γιάννη Σαρμπάνη: «Αρχικά πρέπει να μάθουμε στα παιδιά μας την νέα Ελλάδα, που έχει εξελιχθεί σε δραστήριο παράγοντα της διεθνούς σκηνής. Οι στατιστικές δείχνουν καθαρά τα υπέροχα έργα που επιτελεί. Οι Ολυμπιακοί αγώνες της Αθήνας είχαν τεράστια επιτυχία. Έγιναν σημείο αναφοράς από το οποίο μπορεί ο καθένας να αρχίσει να κατανοεί κι όλες τις άλλες συναρπαστικές ενέργειες της σημερινής Ελλάδας».

Στο Οχάιο ο Zack Space, εγγονός μετανάστη από την Ικαρία, επανεκλέχτηκε άνετα στην Αμερικανική Βουλή, εξασφαλίζοντας το 60 τοις εκατό των ψήφων. Μας είπε: «Θέλω να προσφέρω στους πολίτες της εκλογικής μου περιφέρειας δυνατότητες.

Η περιφέρειά μου είναι πολύ φτωχή. Έχει υψηλότερο ποσοστό ανέχειας και υψηλότερο ποσοστό ανεργίας από τον μέσο όρο στην Αμερική. Δουλεύω σκληρά για να διασφαλίσω στους πολίτες της περιφέρειάς μου ευκαιρίες για καλύτερη ζωή.

Με ενδιαφέρουν επίσης και πολλά θέματα εξωτερικής πολιτικής, περιλαμβανομένων αυτών που απασχολούν τον Ελληνισμό. Για παράδειγμα, η εξεύρεση δίκαιης λύσης του Κυπριακού, ύστερα από 34 χρόνια κατοχής, η προάσπιση του Οικουμενικού Πατριαρχείου και η διευθέτηση της διαμάχης γύρω από το όνομα των Σκοπίων».

Ο Gus (Κώστας) Bilirakis, εγγονός οικογένειας Ελλήνων αλιέων σφουγγαριού, θριάμβευσε στο γραφικό Tarpon Springs και την γύρω του περιοχή στην Φλόριντα, κερδίζοντας το 63 τοις εκατό της λαϊκής ψήφου. Σε πρόσφατη ομογενειακή εκδήλωση στο Κογκρέσο, ο κ. Bilirakis διακήρυξε: «Δεν θα επαναπαυθούμε μέχρις ότου η Κύπρος είναι ελεύθερη, δεν θα επαναπαυθούμε μέχρις ότου ο Πατριάρχης μας είναι ασφαλής και δεν θα επαναπαυθούμε μέχρις ότου να διευθετηθεί το Σκοπιανό».

Στην Μασαχουσέτη, η Niki Tsongas, χήρα του αείμνηστου Γερουσιαστή και άλλοτε προεδρικού υποψήφιου Paul Tsongas, επανεκλέχθηκε χωρίς την παραμικρή δυσκολία. Είναι τόσο δημοφιλής που κανένας από το αντίπαλο κόμμα δεν είχε τα κότσια να κατέβει εναντίον της στις εκλογές της Τρίτης.

Μιλώντας σε συγκέντρωση που έγινε στις 25 Μαρτίου 2008 στο Κογκρέσο για τον εορτασμό της επετείου της Ελληνικής παλιγγενεσίας, η κυρία Tsongas δήλωσε στη Φωνή της Αμερικής: «Πήγα στην Αθήνα πριν λίγο καιρό. Με εντυπωσίασε η πρόοδος που έχει γίνει σε έργα υποδομής λόγω των Ολυμπιακών Αγώνων. Χάρηκα επίσης που η Ελλάδα παίζει ηγετικό ρόλο στην περιοχή. Εμείς στις Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες πρέπει να στηρίξουμε το έργο της. Θα συμβάλω προς την κατεύθυνση αυτή και θα πάω πάλι στην Ελλάδα, όσο πιο σύντομα μπορέσω».

Στο Λας Βέγκας, η Shelley Berkley έκανε κι αυτή περήφανη την ομογένεια και ιδιαίτερα τους Θεσσαλονικείς, γιατί από μια εβραϊκή οικογένεια της Θεσσαλονίκης κατάγεται. Η Shelley καρπώθηκε το 68 τοις εκατό της λαϊκής ψήφου.

Shelly Berkley Σε συνάντηση που είχαμε μαζί της στο Λας Βέγκας, μια εβδομάδα πριν τις εκλογές, η Shelley Berkley δήλωσε μεταξύ άλλων: «Έχω κοινές αρχές με τους Έλληνες. Για παράδειγμα πιστεύω ότι τα Τουρκικά στρατεύματα πρέπει να φύγουν από την Κύπρο. Αντιμετωπίζω σχετικά θέματα από τότε που έγινα μέλος της κοινοβουλευτικής ομάδας προώθησης Ελληνικών υποθέσεων. Συνεργάζομαι στενά και με άλλους Ελληνοαμερικανούς νομοθέτες, όπως οι κύριοι Bilirakis, Sarbanes και Space, που είναι εξαίρετοι άνθρωποι».

Νικητής της βουλευτικής αναμέτρησης σε μια άλλη γειτονική περιφέρειας της Νεβάδα ήταν Dina (Κωνσταντίνα) Titus, που αγωνίζονταν όλη την νύχτα στήθος με στήθος με τον πανίσχυρο ρεπουμπλικανό αντίπαλό της. Η Dina κέρδισε τελικά παίρνοντας το 47 τοις εκατό των ψήφων. Αλλά εξ ίσου σημαντικό είναι το ότι με την επιτυχία της αυξάνεται κατά έναν και η αριθμητική δύναμη της ομάδας ομογενών στο Κογκρέσο.

Dina TitusΜας είπε: «Ξέρω ότι έχω πολλά να μάθω για θέματα εθνικής πολιτικής. Όταν πάω στην Ουάσιγκτον θα ζητήσω την συμβουλή της κοινοβουλευτικής Ομάδας Προώθησης Ελληνικών Υποθέσεων στο Κογκρέσο και ηγετικών στελεχών της ομογένειας. Τα μεγάλα θέματα της ομογένειας είναι το Κυπριακό, η προστασία του Οικουμενικού Πατριαρχείου και η αποκατάσταση της αίγλης του. Θέλω να μπω στην πρώτη γραμμή για τα θέματα αυτά. Επίσης με την γερή Ελληνική καρδιά μου θα προασπίσω το όνομα της Μακεδονίας».

Όλοι οι ομογενείς υποψήφιοι με τους οποίους μιλήσαμε μετά την νίκη τους στις εκλογές της 4ης Νοεμβρίου μας είπαν ότι προσβλέπουν να έρθουν στη Ουάσιγκτον για να προωθήσουν στο Κογκρέσο όχι μόνον τα θέματα που αφορούν τις εκλογικές τους περιφέρειες αλλά επίσης και τα ζητήματα που ενδιαφέρουν ιδιαίτερα την Ελληνοαμερικανική κοινότητα.

"Σκόπια-οι ξεχασμένοι Έλληνες".

2008-11-06T01:06:00.000-08:00

Εκδήλωση για την Έλληνική μειονότητα των Σκοπίων θα πραγματοποιήσει η πολιτιστική εταιρεία"Μακεδνός" την προσεχή Κυριακή στις 7.00μμ στο Πανεπιστήμιο Μακεδονία με τίτλο:"Σκόπια-οι ξεχασμένοι Έλληνες"

Ομιλητές θα είναι οι κ.κ.:
Στέλιος Παπαθεμελής,πρόεδρος Δημοκρατικής Αναγέννησης,
Μιχάλης Λιάκος ,αντιπρόεδρος της εταιρείας "Μακεδνός".Μεταξύ των χορηγών της εκδήλωσης καί η Νομαρχία Θεσσαλονίκης.

Alexander the Great - a symbol of Greek history and civilization

2008-10-29T05:05:00.001-07:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
October 28, 2008

Philip II, father of Alexander, was son of the Macedonian king Amyntas III and Eurydice, a Lyncestian princess. Lyncestians were incorporated earlier to Molossians, hence we could find them in ancient sources as ´Molossian Ethne´ or as Lyncestian Macedonians [1]. A strong Illyrian influence can be recognised in the nearby Lyncestian kingdom but their royal house was widely believed in the ancient world to be descedants of the Greek Bacchiades coming from Corinth. Eurydice was daughter of a Lyncestian princess, daughter of Arrabaios, king of Lyngos and Sirras - a person shrouded in great darkness - since his ethnicity is obscure. There are conflicting theories which identify him either as Illyrian or as a native Lyncestian [2]. We can only conclude, Philip´s Greek ancestry is proved beyond doubt by the traditions of the Greek royal houses both in Macedon and Lyngos.

Molossian Royal House

Now we will analyze the lineage coming from the mother of Alexander, the Molossian Olympias. Her original name as a child was called 'Polyxena' and then, at marriage, 'Myrtale'; later in life she was also known as 'Olympias' and 'Stratonice' [3]. The name Olympias was given to her, according to the tradition, after her husband Philip won in Olympic games.The members of Molossian royal house , the so-called ´Aeacidae´ thought of themselves as descendants of Achiles´ son, Neoptolemus and Andromache. They both took refuge in the area in the aftermath of Troy´s fall. Their son was Molossus, the founder of Molossians. Olympias herself, was daughter of Neoptolemus, king of Epirus and most likely of an Epirotan woman, Anasatia [4]. In the early 6th century, the tyrant of Sicyon Cleisthenes wished to find a suitable husband for his daughter Agariste. He invited "the best of the Greeks" in order to decide which one would marry his daughter. Among the Greek contestants was the Molossian King Alkon. A logical conclusion of the above is that the members of the Molossian royal house considered themselves as Greeks and were viewed as such by the rest of Greeks.

So far we have examined the lineages of the royal houses connected with Alexander. What remains is another crucial question to our issue. What did Alexander perceived himself to be?

From all the ancient sources we receive the same message. Alexander the Great never missed a chance to verify his pride for his Greek ancestry. His parents had Greek origins, and Alexander obviosuly considered himself Greek. He spoke Greek, he grew up and was educated from famous Greek philosophers like Aristotle, and kept a copy of his favourite book Iliad of Homer under his pillow. He worshipped the same gods as the rest of Greeks. He undertook and accompliced to a military campaign based on the long-term hostility between Greeks and Persians, as leader of the Greeks. Both he and his army spread the ancient Greek language and culture to the fringes of India and therefore Alexander has justifiably been used for centuries as a symbol of Greek civilisation.

1] Hecataeus

2] Kapetanopoulos ´Sirras - Eurydice´

3] Waldemar Heckel "Who´s Who In The Age Of Alexander The Great: Prosopography Of Alexander´s Empire" p. 181

4] Favorinus ap. Jul Val 1.7 (frg. 49)

By Ptolemy

for www.macedonianontheweb.com

info@macedonian.com.au

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/79165

27 October 2008 - RALLY FOR GREEK MINORITY IN FYROM

2008-10-29T04:33:00.000-07:00

As you may know, the Skopje government abuses Hellenic human rights. We urge you all to mobilize your constituents to attend a national demonstration on Monday, October 27th at 12:00 noon to be held at United States Mission to the UN. Located at 140 East 45th Street (between Third and Lexington Avenues) It is imperative that we send a clear and powerful message that we oppose Skopje’s cultural genocide program, its support for global terrorism, threats to destroy the Hellenic people. and its blatant abuse of human rights.

Pan-Macedonian President Nina Gatzoulis Speaks on Hellenic Human Rights Abuse by FYROM

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2008-10-29T03:39:00.000-07:00

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Φέραμε το Macedonia.info στην ΠΡΩΤΗ ΣΕΛΙΔΑ των αποτελεσμάτων της Google! Πλέον, ο στόχος είναι η πρώτη θέση και είναι κάτι που είναι εφικτό.

Δεν έχω κάτι παραπάνω να προσθέσω. Μίλησε το αποτέλεσμα…

Υ.Γ. Παράλληλα, οι χρήστες απο τις Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες, βλέπουν ήδη το Macedonia.info στην δεύτερη σελίδα πρώτο-πρώτο. Αυτό γίνεται, διότι τα αποτελέσματα των αναζητήσεων, λαμβάνουν υπ’οψιν τους και την τοποθεσία του χρήστη που κάνει την όποια αναζήτηση. Έτσι μεταβάλλουν κάπως τη σειρά κατάταξης. Η άνοδος που επήλθε όμως στο Ελληνικό Google ανέβασε ανάλογα και το Macedonia.info για τους κατοίκους Η.Π.Α. και Καναδά απο κάπου στην … 8η σελίδα στην δεύτερη. Καθόλου άσχημα.

Το άρθρο έγραψε ο Αλέξανδρος

The New Macedonian Question

2008-10-24T02:43:00.000-07:00

In Europe there are many place-names which have strong historical associations, but none more so than Macedonia [1]. It is a measure of the fame of the ancient Macedonians, that their name has survived for over 2,500 years to describe a corner of the Balkan Peninsula, long after they themselves ceased to play any important part in European history.

Today the geographical boundaries of Macedonia are difficult to define, however, little is known about the new ‘Macedonian question’. For instance: How well known is it in the world that in the Balkans there are two Macedonias, separated by a common frontier?

How many people know that the northern small landlocked Slavonic Macedonia, known officially as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), has a seat at the UN, whereas the historical Greek Macedonia does not, because it is not a state but only a province of Greece?

How many people know how and when this multi-ethnic state was created?

In order to forge a new nation-state from a population, various parts of which possess a different national / ethnical background or consciousness, you need three key elements: a political motive, fabricated history and a fabricated language.

Let’s examine how the state of FYROM was created. The geographical area which makes up FYROM today did not appear as ‘Macedonia’ on any map before the Second World War. Its population is mainly Slavonic and Albanian. In 1944 Tito announced the creation of the ‘People’s Republic of Macedonia’ in order to provide a launching pad from which to lay claim to Greek Macedonia and the warm-water port of Thessaloniki [2].

While the Western Allies were busy planning the future of the Balkans, others had already shaped it. By the last quarter of 1944, the communists were the indisputable rulers in Yugoslavia and were working hard to become so in Bulgaria too. POLITICALLY Tito had turned the old “Southern Serbia” (named as Vardarska Banovina) into the “People’s Republic of Macedonia”, without taking the trouble to consult his Bulgarian or Greek comrades as he entertained designs for the incorporation of all parts of geographical Macedonia into his new federal unit [3].

The ‘People’s Republic of Macedonia’ was a political creation only, since its population, a polyglot conglomeration of nationalities, had no substantial “Macedonian” national consciousness. Tito’s Macedonia, with Skopje as its capital, was created in the same manner as Stalin’s Belorussia after the end of the Bolshevik revolution.

ETHNOLOGICALLY, Tito’s new “Macedonian” republic was to be forged out of a population with ethnic and linguistic ties to Albania, Bulgaria or Serbia. The 1940 official Yugoslav census recognized only two large ethnic groups in Vardar Province: Slavs at 69% and Muslims at 31%. In 1945, three years after the formation of the ‘People’s Republic of Macedonia’, the Slavs disappeared from the census and were replaced by 66% ‘Macedonians’! By recognizing the existence of a separate ‘Macedonian’ nation, the Communist Party of Yugoslavia was able to gain control of Vardar Macedonia and justify retaining it as part of the Yugoslav federation

[4]. In order to accomplish this it was necessary to eliminate the sense of Bulgarian national identity shared by many inhabitants of the area. Since this was clearly not in the interests of Yugoslavia, and since the inter-war policy of Serbianization under the Yugoslav Kingdom had failed, the only alternative was to recognize the Slavs of Vardar Macedonia as neither Bulgarians nor Serbs, but as something else as………..”Macedonians”.

Recognizing the ‘Macedonian’ nation and establishing the ‘People’s Republic of Macedonia’ was the most effective way for Yugoslav officials to integrate Vardar Macedonia securely into the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Another motive behind the Communist Party of Yugoslavia’s decision to recognize the existence of a separate Macedonian nation was its desire to extend Yugoslav control over Bulgarian and Greek Macedonia as well [5].

LINGUISTICALLY the new nation needed a language and script. Initially the spoken dialect of northern geographical Macedonia was chosen as the basis for the “Macedonian” language. To sever the linguistic bonds between the “Macedonians” and the others slavic speakers (Serbs and Bulgarians), this new language was fabricated and touted as a separate Macedonian language, the language, it was said, of Alexander the Great!

Hupchick explains: “The new ‘Macedonian’ literary language intentionally was based on a dialect spoken in the central Vardar area (Prilep-Bitola region) to remove it geographically as far as possible from Bulgarian and Serbian linguistic ‘contaminations’.

A separate ‘Macedonian’Cyrillic alphabet (including wholly new letters & a few Serbian
characters) was devised to make the language different from Bulgarian.

‘Bulgarianisms’ were replaced by folk substitutes, and modern Bulgarian, Serbian or Russian technical words and modern expressions intentionally were avoided in favor of Western (including American) terms. Literary Macedonian was as different as humanly possible from other slavic languages, being a veritable linguistic hodgepodge approaching the French meaning of macedoine when referring to a mixed salad” [6].

To complete the charade, Tito’s regime commissioned the linguist Blago Konev (he changed his name later to Blaze Koneski) to devise an new alphabet. Koneski modified the Serbian version of the Cyrillic alphabet and called it the “Macedonian alphabet”. Koneski and his linguistics also modified the Old Church Slavonic, (now named in the FYROM as “old Macedonian”), and fabricated the lexicon of the “Macedonian” language from a mixture of Bulgarian, Serb, Croat, Slovenian, and other Slavic languages. The alphabet was accepted on 3 May 1945 and the orthography on 7 June 1945.

The writing of a history for the ‘People’s Republic of Macedonia’ had the same goal as the creation of the language - to de-Bulgarianize the Slavs of Vardar Macedonia and create a separate national consciousness. Since Marx claimed to have discovered the immutable laws of history, communists have considered the “correct” interpretation of history as the foundation of all social science and a key element of nationality. As usual in the Balkans, history is a primary ingredient in the development of national consciousness. Hence, the Yugoslav communists were most anxious to mould the history of the Macedonian region to fit their conception of Slav-Macedonian consciousness.

In the 1960s and 70s, the Yugoslavs established committees to concern themselves with the “Macedonian” language and ethnicity in Yugoslavia and abroad, trained teachers in the language, and sent linguists to America, Canada, and Australia to teach the language and present lectures on the existence of a special Slavic race, related to ancient Macedonians.

According to a 1944 U.S State Department Airgram, the U.S considered, “talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian “Fatherland”, or Macedonia “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece”[7].

What has changed so that the USA and the Bush administration, through its recognition FYROM as ‘Macedonia’ in 2004, now supports these aggressive intentions against Greece?

To be continued……..
by Akritas

forMACEDONIA ON THE WEB

Modern Macedonian History

[1].http://www.etymonline.com/. English term of "Macedonia" derived from the Latin Macedonius "Macedonian," from Gk. Makedones, lit. "highlanders" or "the tall ones," related to makednos "long, tall," makros "long, large"(see macro-).

2] International Organization, Vol. 1, No. 3, (Sep., 1947), pp.
494-508. Appointed under the Security Council resolution of December 19, 1946, the “Commission of Investigation Concerning Greek Frontier Incidents” on May 27, 1947 submitted a report, to the Security Council.
The general conclusion of the UN Commission as about Macedonia issue, was that Yugoslav and Bulgarian Governments themselves revived and promoted a separatist movement among the Slav minorities in Macedonia.
In making this finding, the Commission pointed out that some 20,000 Greek citizens had fled to Yugoslavia and some 5,000 to Bulgaria — most of them Slavs — and that the treatment of this group by Greek officials had “provided fertile breeding ground for separatist movements.” In Yugoslavia, Macedonian separatism was the special goal of an organization called the NOF (National Labor Front) which had its headquarters in Skopje and Monastirion(Bitola).
3] The Macedonian Question, Britain and the Southern Balkans 1939-1949, Dimitrios Livanios, page 245.
4] Yugoslav Communism and the Macedonian Question, Palmer and King , page 199.
5] The Macedonian Conflict, Loring Danforth, page 66.
6] Dennis Hupchick, The Balkans from Constantinople to Communism, 2002, p.430.
7] US Department, CircularAirgram(868.014/26 Dec. 1944)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/78775

FYROM: The Troublemaker of the Balkans?

2008-10-22T01:40:00.000-07:00

Nicolas Mottas
October 21, 2008

americanchronicle.com

One of the most significant decades-long problem in South Eastern Europe is the irripresible political use of history and national symbols by region's governments. The case of 'Macedonia' is an example of the above assumption. Since its birth as a state entity in 1991, just after the dissolution of the united Yugoslavia, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) has based its own existence in the appropriation and use of ancient Greek names and symbols. That created de facto a clone-state without a concrete national identity; a 'ticking bomb' in the heart of the Balkans, as the UN High Representative in Kosovo described FYROM in December 2000.

Since its independence from Yugoslavia the state of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia remains a thorn in the heart of South Eastern Europe, being a factor of political unsteadiness for the broader region.

There are two major issues which create justifiable concern and doubts regarding FYROM's contribution to Peace and Security in the Balkan peninsula: A first - and most significant - issue is the known naming-dispute with neighbouring Greece. Since its creation in 1991 and until today, Skopje bases its policy on imbecilic and anachronistic irredentist ideologies.

The Greek position, being in accordance with the principles of International Law, is that nationalistic, chauvinistic and irredentist policies do not have place in the region. Therefore the appropriation of Macedonia's name, of ancient Greek symbols (e.g Vergina Sun) and the invention of supposed minorities (e.g. Macedonian Minority) must not be used as the 'Trojan Horse' of irredentism.

That is the actual and fundamental problem in the relations between Athens and Skopje. Greece does not express a hypersensitive or insubstantial theory about its historical heritage - on the contrary, Greece clearly defines that chauvinism must be completely abolished from Balkan politics, something which FYROM's leadership seems not to understand. Or, perhaps, it does not want to understand it.

Furthermore, the governments of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia have failed to consort with the UN-sponsored Interim Accord of 1995, broking specific provisions of that agreement. According to a U.S. Senate Resolution (SR 300), submitted in August 2007 by senators Barack Obama, Olympia Snowe and Robert Menendez, Skopje must "stop the utilization of materials that violate provisions of the United Nations-brokered Interim Agreement between FYROM and Greece regarding hostile activities or propaganda" (Article 7, Paragraph 1 of the Interim Accord). Additionally to that, the current Prime Minister of FYROM have done his best in order to break provisions of the 1995 Agreement, by grossly interfering in domestic Greek politics.

He did that through public statements and interviews, either by refering to Greece's political scandals - which have nothing to do with his business - or by posing to international organizations nonsensical issues regarding supposed repression of ethnic minorities in Greece. But such actions consist violation of Article 6 (Paragraph 2) of the Interim Accord which prohibits Skopje's interference in the internal affairs of neighbouring Greece.

A second issue has to do with Human Rights' protection in FYROM, within the frame of Democracy's establishment in the country. According to the 2003 Amnesty International report for the former Yugoslav Rep. of Macedonia, opposition journalists and Human Rights activists face extrajudicial executions and intimidation.

Furthermore, the Internationa Helsinki Federation for Human Rights has reported Police harassment of ethnic minorities, including Albanians and Roma. But its not only that. On January 11, 2004, the local authorities arrested Bishop Jovan of Ohrid and Exarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church in Skopje, a case which created obvious concern in the European Union regarding the protection of religious freedoms in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

In addition to the above, FYROM's political stability is still in doubt as long as 25% of its population are ethnic Albanians. Despite the 2001 Framework Agreement of Ohrid which brough an end to the fighting between Slavophones and Albanians, the problem still exists as a factor of fluidity in the broader region. The solution to the issue passes through the European perspective of FYROM as well as its participation in the North-Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

However, Skopje's declinatory political attitude of irredentism leads the country far from the international organizations; actually, it leads to nowhere. From its side, Greece wants FYROM's existence as a stable state-entity, full member of the EU and NATO.

It should be noted, once more, that the Greek governments have supported EU economic aid to FYROM, while Greece is the number one foreign investor in the country with around $1 invested capital, creating thousands of job opportunities. Athens has expressed its constant support to FYROM's European perspective, but with the infrangible prerequisite that there will be an accepted solution: a compound name with a geographic qualifier for all uses.

Nevertheless, even today, Skopje remains attached to its years-long perverse intrasigence, trying to dynamite dialogue: recently, FYROM's leadership rejected another one proposal, submitted by the UN Mediator Matthew Nimetz. Until when? If the leadership of Skopje wants to stabilize FYROM's creaky existence, then they have to fully understand something: that intrasigent and nationalistic practices must be abandoned as soon as possible. The future of the country is within the European Union and NATO, in harmonious co-existence with its neighbours, including Greece. Otherwise, FYROM will remain a 'ticking bomb' in the heart of South Eastern Europe - but then, it won't last for ever.

e-πιλογες

2008-10-21T04:03:00.000-07:00

Pseudomacedonia - The Fallacy Of A Cause
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/78565

FYROM is facing the facts that Macedonia is one and Greek
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/78361

Risto Stefov and the falsification of Ancient Macedonian history

Ανακοίνωση σχετικά με απόπειρα παραπληροφόρησης ΥΠΕΞ ΠΓΔΜ για στάση Παναμά, Μεξικού, Κονγκό ως προς ζήτημα ονομασίας

Joint Press Statement of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Greece on the FYROM issue

The Death of Academic Honesty in FYROM: The Case of National Sciences

FYROM’s Slavomacedonism, Part I: a Historical overview

PR Propaganda by Gruevski

Alexandria event on Alexander the Great

Greek language event at Library of Alexandria

MACEDONIA - HISTORY CHANNEL PROOF

The Greek identity of the Ancient Macedonians

The whole truth about the scopian propaganda

Macedonians were and are Greeks

US-FYROM Secret Co-Operation

2008-10-20T03:25:00.000-07:00

"Ethnos tis Kyriakis" newspaper revealed a classified document of state Department that proves a secret co operation between US and Skopje on the name issue. Athens reacts strongly. According to the article the proposal submitted by the UN special negotiator Mathew Nimetz had been suggested by the US Ministry of Foreign Affairs and was recorded in the letter sent by the US ambassador in Skopje last June.

The letter was received by State Department, the Security Council and the US General Headquarters. The US diplomat provocatively notes that the issue of the language and nationality will be handled without the participation of Greece using internal UN documents.

Athens reacted strongly. The representative of foreign affairs’ ministry Mr. Giorgos Koumoutsakos, in his statements said that Greece has a clear stance. First of all, the negotiations will take place only within the framework of the UN and secondly the Greek position proposes a compound name geographically oriented.

source: ert.gr

«Θα τα περάσουμε όλα σιωπηλά»

2008-10-20T02:50:00.000-07:00

Οι Αμερικανοί καθοδηγούσαν τους Σκοπιανούς πώς να πουν «ναι» στο όνομα και υπόσχονταν χαλάρωση στο εύρος χρήσης και υπόγεια επιβολή της γλώσσας και της εθνικότητας ως «μακεδονικές»

ΜΟΝΑΔΙΚΗ ΑΠΟΚΑΛΥΨΗ ΑΠΟ ΤΟ ΕΘΝΟΣ

Statement of Foreign Ministry spokesman Mr. G. Koumoutsakos regarding unfounded allegations about Skopje journalists having been held in Greece

2008-10-18T01:52:00.000-07:00

In answer to a journalist’s question regarding Skopje’s false allegations about Skopje journalists having been held in Greece, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mr. George Koumoutsakos made the following statement:

“This is an outrageous distortion of what really happened. It is a mere distortion of the truth. In every well-governed state, persons entering military zones or facilities without permission and also making video recordings and/or taking photographs of such areas and facilities are always checked by the competent authorities.

This was the case when a TV crew from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia that was taking photographs and making video recordings – without permission – of a military exercise area on Greek territory was briefly checked.

Following these checks, which lasted a few minutes, the crew was then free to remain – should they wish – in Greece.

This is the reality. This is the truth. All the rest is cheap propaganda.”

Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Ανατροπή της αναγνώρισης των Σκοπίων από το Μεξικό με το συνταγματικό όνομα

2008-10-17T02:48:00.000-07:00

Και δεύτερη χώρα, μετά τον Παναμά προχωρά σε άρση αναγνώρισης του ονόματος «Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας».

Το Μεξικό -που είχε αναγνωρίσει το 2001 τα Σκόπια ως Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας- ανακοίνωσε ότι πλέον θα χρησιμοποιεί το όνομα FYROM.Σε κοινή ανακοίνωση Ελλάδας-Μεξικού αναφέρεται ότι μέχρι την επίλυση της διαφοράς για το όνομα, το Μεξικό προσωρινά αναφέρεται στο κράτος αυτό ως FYROM, για κάθε διμερή και διεθνή χρήση.

Σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες, έχουν φτάσει θετικά μηνύματα στην Αθήνα από χώρες της Λατινικής Αμερικής και της Αφρικής που δείχνουν την πρόθεση να χρησιμοποιούν στο εξής το όνομα ΠΓΔΜ στις διμερείς τους σχέσεις.

Kostasxan

Foreign Undersecretary of Mexico Ambassador Juan Manuel Gómez Robledo met with the Deputy Foreign Minister of Greece Dr. Yannis Valinakis in the framework of the 63rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

They reviewed the bilateral agenda and, in this context, they underlined the importance of the 70th Anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Greece and Mexico, which will take place on August 12, 2009.

Both sides recognized that this milestone constitutes an excellent opportunity to further strengthen the relations of the two countries.

Undersecretary Gómez Robledo thanked Greece for its support for the candidacy of Mexico for a non-permanent seat on the Security Council for the period 2009-2010, and reiterated that the participation of Mexico in the Security Council will be aimed at promoting peaceful settlement of disputes; peace and stability; and upholding the principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter.

Deputy Foreign Minister Valinakis briefed Undersecretary Gómez Robledo on developments regarding the name issue of the State provisionally referred to as the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”.

In this regard, Undersecretary Gómez Robledo underlined that the Government of Mexico fully supports the United Nations efforts to find a mutually acceptable solution on the subject.

He also assured that, pending settlement of the difference that has arisen over the name of that State, Mexico provisionally refers to that State as the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”, in conformity with the relevant Security Council Resolutions 817/93 and 845/93, for all international and bilateral purposes.

Finally, Deputy Minister Valinakis and Undersecretary Gómez Robledo emphasized the readiness of both Governments to further promote trade and investment opportunities, taking full advantage of the Free Trade Agreement between the European Union and Mexico

source:Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Σκοπιανοί κλέβουν σημαντικά αρχαία στην Σπηλιά Εορδαίας

2008-10-16T02:54:00.000-07:00

Κλέβουν μακεδονικούς τάφους

ΚΑΤΑΓΓΕΛΙΑ ΜΕΣΩ Ε-ΜΑΙΛ

"Σκοπιανοί κλέβουν σημαντικά αρχαία στην σπηλιά Εορδαίας από πολύ σημαντικούς μακεδονικούς τάφους .Σκοπιανοί αρχαιοκάπηλοι φυγαδεύτηκαν το βραδύ της τρίτης μετά από κυνηγητό με κατοίκους της περιοχής όταν διαπιστώθηκε ότι επιχειρούσαν να κλέψουν αρχαία από τους πολύ σημαντικούς μακεδονικούς τάφους που βρέθηκαν στην περιοχή.

Οι δράστες δυστυχώς δεν κατάφεραν να συλληφθούν παρότι ενημερώθηκαν αστυνομικά τμήματα της περιοχής. Εδώ πλέον τίθεται το ερώτημα ως ποτέ το ελληνικό κράτος , η νομαρχία Κοζάνης και οι δήμοι της περιοχής Πτολεμαΐδας θα αδιαφορούν για τα τόσο σημαντικά ευρήματα που βρίσκονται στην συγκεκριμένη περιοχή , όταν έχουν φτάσει να γίνονται ακόμη και στόχος Σκοπιανών αρχαιοκάπηλων.

Παρά τις συνεχείς εκκλήσεις κάτοικων της περιοχής και την σπουδαιότητα των ταφών ( υπάρχουν αποδείξεις ότι πρόκειται για βασιλικούς τάφους ) οι επίσημες αρχές είναι μια ακόμη φορά απούσες."

ventetta

BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN: SUPPORTING GREEK AMERICANS

2008-10-16T02:00:00.000-07:00

Του Αποστόλη Ζουπανιώτη
greeknewsonline.com

Barack Obama and Joe Biden have been true friends of the Greek American community throughout their careers in public service. Obama has worked closely with this community, especially the large constituency in Chicago, Illinois, and always supported the Greek communityʼs participation in the American political process.

Obama and Biden greatly respect the major contributions Greek Americans have made to so many aspects of the American experience. They will continue to work closely with Greek Americans at home and reestablish Americaʼs strong partnership with Greece and our other European allies abroad.

A Just and Lasting Political Settlement on Cyprus:

As president, Barack Obama will show U.S. leadership in seeking to negotiate a political settlement on Cyprus. He believes strongly that Cyprus should remain a single, sovereign country in which each of the two communities on the island is able to exercise substantial political authority within a bi-zonal, bicommunal federation. There must be a just and mutually agreed settlement of difficult issues like property, refugees, land, and security.

A negotiated political settlement on Cyprus would end the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and repair the islandʼs tragic division while paving the way to prosperity and peace throughout the entire region.

It would also give Cypriots a firm foundation on which to build their future after many years of division and uncertainty. It would help foster better Greek-Turkish relations, strengthen Turkish democracy, reduce the risk of military conflict, and remove a major obstacle to Turkish membership in the EU.

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia:

Barack Obama was one of three original lead co-sponsors of Senate Resolution 300, which urged that the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia work with Greece within the framework of the United Nations process to reach a mutually-acceptable official name for that country and achieve longstanding United States and United Nations policy goals.

Obama supports the UN-led negotiations and believes that there can and should be an agreement between Skopje and Athens on a mutually-acceptable name that leads to greater stability in the Balkans.

Ecumenical Patriarchate:

Barack Obama was one of 73 Senators who signed a letter to President Bush in 2006 urging him to press Turkey to restore the full rights of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of the Orthodox Christian Church in Istanbul.

He has sent Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a personal letter on the same matter. Senator Obama calls on Turkey to respect the Ecumenical Patriarchateʼs rights and freedoms, including its property rights. Turkey should allow the reopening of the Patriarchateʼs school of theology on Halki Island and guarantee the right to train clergy of all nationalities, not just Turkish nationals.

YΠΟΣΤΗΡΙΖΕΙ ΤΙΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΕΣ ΘΕΣΕΙΣ ΣΕ ΚΥΠΡΙΑΚΟ-ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟ-ΠΑΤΡΙΑΡΧΕΙΟΝΕΑ ΥΟΡΚΗ.-

Με μία ισχυρή δήλωση για την Κύπρο, το Οικουμενικό Πατριαρχείο και τη διαφορά Ελλάδας Σκοπίων για την ονομασία, οι υποψήφιοι των Δημοκρατικών Μπαράκ Ομπάμα και Τζο Μπάιντεν απευθύνονται προς την Ελληνοαμερικανική Κοινότητα, ζητώντας την υποστήριξή της στις εκλογές της 4ης Νοεμβρίου.

Το μήνυμα αποκαλύπτει στον διαδικτυακό της τόπο η Greek News, που παράλληλα φιλοξενεί δηλώσεις του προέδρου της Ελληνοαμερικανικής Επιτροπής για τον Ομπάμα, Αλέξη Γιαννούλια. Ο πολιτειακός υπουργός Οικονομικών του Ιλινόι δηλώνει ότι «οι γερουσιαστές Ομπάμα και Μπάιντεν απέδειξαν για μια ακόμη φορά ότι αντιλαμβάνονται τις σημαντικές θέσεις της κοινότητάς μας και τη δέσμευσής τους στους κανόνες του δικαίου και τη δικαιοσύνη. Αυτή η ανακοίνωση, ενώ αποτελεί μόνο την αρχή, παρέχει μία σταθερή βάση από την οποία η κοινότητά μας μπορεί να εμπλακεί με την κυβέρνηση Ομπάμα.

Επιδεικνύει επίσης ότι μπορούμε να έχουμε ξανά φίλους στο Λευκό Οίκο». Αναλυτικότερα, για το κυπριακό, αναφέρει πως «ως πρόεδρος ο Μπαράκ Ομπάμα θα επιδείξει τον ηγετικό ρόλο των ΗΠΑ, αναζητώντας τη διαπραγμάτευση μίας πολιτικής διευθέτησης στην Κύπρο.

Πιστεύει έντονα ότι η Κύπρος πρέπει να παραμείνει μία ενιαία κυρίαρχη χώρα, στην οποία η κάθε μία από τις δύο κοινότητες της νήσου θα μπορεί να ασκεί ουσιαστική πολιτική αρχή εντός μίας διζωνικής, δικοινοτικής ομοσπονδίας». Επισημαίνει ότι πρέπει να υπάρξει μία δίκαιη και αμοιβαία αποδεκτή διευθέτηση των δύσκολων θεμάτων, όπως του περιουσιακού, των προσφύγων, τους εδαφικού και της ασφάλειας», και τονίζει:

“Μία διευθέτησης μέσω διαπραγματεύσεων του κυπριακού θα δώσει τέλος στην τουρκική κατοχή της βόρειας Κύπρου και θα επιδιορθώσει την τραγική διαίρεση της νήσου, ενώ παράλληλα θα ανοίξει το δρόμο για την ευημερία και την ειρήνη σʼ ολόκληρη την περιοχή.

Θα δώσει ακόμη στους κύπριους ένα σταθερό θεμέλιο πάνω στο οποίο θα οικοδομήσουν το μέλλον τους, έπειτα από πολλά χρόνια διαίρεσης και αβεβαιότητας. Θα βοηθήσει στη δημιουργία καλύτερων ελληνοτουρκικών θέσεων, δυναμώνοντας την δημοκρατία στην Τουρκία, μειώνοντας το ρίσκο στρατιωτικής σύγκρουσης και απομακρύνοντας ένα μεγάλο εμπόδιο στην ένταξη της Τουρκίας στην Ε.Ε.

Για το θέμα των Σκοπίων, αφού υπενθυμίζει ότι ο γερουσιαστής Ομπάμα ήταν ένας από τους τρεις εισηγητές του νομοσχεδίου 300, που προέτρεπε Ελλάδα και FYROM να εργαστούν στο πλαίσιο της διαδικασίας του ΟΗΕ για να βρουν αμοιβαία αποδεκτή λύσης στη διαφορά τους για το όνομα, επαναλαμβάνει την πρόσκληση προς τις δύο χώρες να εργαστούν μέσω του ΟΗΕ για αμοιβαία αποδεκτή συμφωνία, που θα οδηγήσει σε μεγαλύτερη σταθερότητα στα Βαλκάνια.

Τέλος για το Οικουμενικό Πατριαρχείο, αφού υπενθυμίζει ότι ήταν ένας από τους 73 γερουσιαστές που έστειλαν το 2006 επιστολή στον Μπους ζητώντας να ασκήσει πιέσεις στην Τουρκία ώστε να αποκαταστήσει τα δικαιώματα του οικουμενικού θρόνου, καταλήγει:

«Η Tουρκία θα πρέπει να επιτρέψει την επαναλειτουργία της Θεολογικής Σχολής της Χάλκης και να της εγγυηθεί το δικαίωμα να εκπαιδεύει κληρικούς από κάθε εθνικότητα, όχι μόνο Τούρκους υπηκόους».

The Macedonian issue and the Bush administration

2008-10-16T01:55:00.000-07:00

Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
October 15, 2008

Greece’s concern at the frequent provocations and indications from its northern neighbor, FYROM, that it harbors territorial aspirations against Greece are often dismissed in Washington, especially so under the Bush administration. A recent controversy where an advertisement from the Absolut Vodka company depicting California as part of Mexico has showed that American politicians are not so forgiving when the shoe is on the other foot.

Greece has long insisted that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) using simply the name “Republic of Macedonia” to describe itself is not acceptable as that would constitute a monopolisation of the term and encourage the territorial aspirations for the wider geographical region of Macedonia, aspirations which FYROM has consistently exhibited since it gained independence in 1991.

Greece insists that an alternative compromise, one which qualifies that the former Yugoslav Republic occupies only part of the wider Macedonian region (and does not imply terrorial aspirations for the Greece’s own province of Macedonia), such as “New Macedonia or “Slavic Macedonia”, must be reached. Some corners of the European and American press has labelled Greece’s concerns as “paranoid” and unreasonable and, since 2004 under the Bush administration, similar comments have been made by government officials such as Condaleeza Rice.

This sort of encouragment of the nationalist elements in FYROM by the Secretary of State has certainly not helped the prospects of a negotiated solution between the two Balkan states.
Greece’s stance has unfairly been labelled as unreasonable. Since 1991 there has been a steady stream of subtle and overt provocations and indications that ultra-nationalism and territorial aspirations against neighbours are still rife on an official, government level in FYROM:

The first constitution promulgated by FYROM included a clause which said the “Macedonian” state had the right to intervene on behalf of “Macedonians” in neighbouring countries

In 1992 a banknote featuring the White Tower of Thessaloniki, capital of Greek Macedonia, was approved by the government but never circulated due to the outcry in Greece

Maps of ‘United Macedonia’ have been constantly found in classrooms and primary and secondary school textbooks

In 2007 Skopje Airport was renamed “Alexander the Great Airport”

Various government websites refer to the geographical parts of Macedonia belonging to Bulgaria and Greece as “Occupied Macedonia”

A common theme at the rallies of ruling nationalist VMRO-DPMNE party are maps of ‘Greater Macedonia’

in February 2008 Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski was photographed laying a wreath at the tomb of a 19th century revolutionary and a map of “United Macedonia” (see above picture accompanying this article)

The question is this: are Greece’s concerns about the constitutional name and the aggressive, irredentist attitude of FYROM at an official level dismissed by some unreasonable and would this be the case if the shoe was on the other foot i.e. if the countries of those calling Greece paranoid were the object of aggressive behavior and territorial aspirations from neighbours?

An interesting case in point is the recent controversy in the United States when the Absolut Vodka company which, in keeping with it’s advertising theme about ideal situations, ran an advertisment in Mexico featuring a map of ‘Greater Mexico’ encompassing Texas, California and most the western United States.

The map shows Mexico’s borders as they were prior to 1848 and the Mexican-American war of that year. This is relevant given that while Absolut Vodka’s people can claim the map is merely a historical one, current Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski and successive governments of FYROM which have promoted ‘Greater Macedonia’ cannot claim the same given no such state with those borders existed historically.

The idea of a ‘United Macedonia’ has its beginnings in 1944 when the communist dictator of Yugoslavia, Josip Tito, renamed the southernmost Yugoslav constituent republic the “Socialist Republic of Macedonia” and went to great lengths to promote the idea of a “Macedonian” nationality.

Nonetheless the offending ad was withdrawn after a barrage of complaints from U.S citizens and condemnations by politicians.

The next question is which case of territorial irredentism is more serious: a risque ad by a vodka company which was a poor attempt at humor; or a series of hostile provocations and indications of territorial aspirations against neighbors Greece and Bulgaria from an official government level in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia?

Irredentist behavior towards Greece has been taught in FYROM classrooms and shoved in the face of Greeks for nearly two decades now. Greece has a legitimate argument when it says this sort of behavior threatens peace and the often tenuous security situation in the Balkans.
In 2004, in the midst of Greece-FYROM U.N-sponsored negotiations the Bush Administration decided to drop a bomb on Greece by unilaterally recognizing FYROM as the “Republic of Macedonia”.

This is of course yet another example of the administration’s reckless and unilateral approach to foreign affairs which seeks to disregard the U.N completely. With the Bush Administration in its last few weeks of existence the Greeks are optimistic this sort of reckless, “Hawk” foreign policy will be replaced by a more consistent, constructive commitment on the part of the U.S to multilateral diplomacy.

After all it was not until 2004 that the Bush Administration turned effectively America into a supporter of FYROM’s territorial aggression towards Greece. Historically speaking Bush’s move turned American policy on the Macedonian issue on its head. For example, on December 26, 1944 a U.S State Department Air gram read as follows:

“This Government considers talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian “Fatherland”, or Macedonia “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece”. How things change, at least in the mind of Bush’s Hawks.

Despite being in the midst of an economic crisis, the election on November 4 this year will also no doubt constitute a renouncement by the American people of Bush’s disastrous foreign policy as well.

www.macedoniaontheweb.com

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/77745

Διαψεύδει δημοσίευμα το ΝΑΤΟ

2008-10-15T12:18:00.000-07:00

Έντονα δυσαρεστημένος με τηλεγράφημα του σκοπιανού πρακτορείου ειδήσεων ΜΙΑ είναι ο Γενικός Γραμματέας του ΝΑΤΟ Γιαπ Ντε Χουπ Σέφερ.

Η δυσαρέσκεια του κ. Σέφερ εκφράστηκε την Τετάρτη από τις Βρυξέλλες μέσω του εκπρόσωπου της συμμαχίας, Τζέιμς Απατουράι, και αφορούσε τηλεγράφημα του MIA, το οποίο εμφάνιζε τον Γ.Γ του ΝΑΤΟ διατεθειμένο να φέρει προς συζήτηση στη Συμμαχία το ζήτημα των "επεισοδίων", τα οποία η ΠΓΔΜ με διάβημά της υποστηρίζει ότι συνέβησαν στην περιοχή της Φλώρινας.

"Τα όσα αναφέρονται στο τηλεγράφημα αυτό είναι απολύτως αναληθή", δήλωσε ο εκπρόσωπος της Συμμαχίας. Σύμφωνα με τον κ. Απατουράι, ο Γ.Γ του ΝΑΤΟ ουδέποτε εξέφρασε ανάλογες απόψεις στον πρωθυπουργό της ΠΓΔΜ με τον οποίο, συναντήθηκε στις Βρυξέλλες.

"Χωρίς βάση" χαρακτήρισε επίσης, ο εκπρόσωπος του ΝΑΤΟ, αναφορά του πρακτορείου της ΠΓΔΜ, η οποία έφερε τον Γιαπ Ντε Χουπ Σέφερ να αναφέρεται με εξαιρετικά θετικούς χαρακτηρισμούς για το πρόσωπο του πρωθυπουργού της ΠΓΔΜ.

Πηγη:skai.gr

The General secretary of NATO Mr Sefer has expressed his deep disappointment and dislike over the news agency’s MINA telegraph in which he was presented as willing to bring as an issue of discussions among the alliance’s members the “incident” in which FYROM is presenting as supposedly has happened in Florina, said NATO spokesman James Apatourai.According to Mr Apatourai, such view was never expressed to Mr Gruevski who he met tody in Brussels. “Baseless” was the term used by the spokesman in regards to further reports of MINA in which Mr Sefer was supposed to have referred with positive characterisations about Mr Gruevski.

Πολύ σοβαρά επεισόδια στο Μαυροβούνιο λόγω αναγνώρισης Κοσόβου.Παρούσες και...Ελληνικές σημαίες.

2008-10-15T04:05:00.000-07:00

Το θεμα ειναι απο το :GREECE-SALONIKA

Σοβαρότατα επεισόδια και σκληρές συμπλοκές διαδηλωτών με αστυνομικούς στην Ποντγκόριτσα του Μαυροβουνίου καθώς χιλιάδες άτομα ξεχύθηκαν στους δρόμους διαδηλώνοντας ενάντια στην πρόσφατη απόφαση της κυβέρνησης της χώρας να αναγνωρίσει την ανεξαρτησία του Κοσόβου

Οι αστυνομικές δυνάμεις έκαναν χρήση δακρυγόνων εναντίον των διαδηλωτών οι οποίοι έβαλαν φωτιές,πετροβόλισαν κυβερνητικά κτίρια ,φωνάζοντας "προδότες-προδότες" και δε δίστασαν να συνεχίσουν τη διαδήλωσή τους ακόμα και όταν οι αστυνομικές δυνάμεις απείλησαν με χρήση πλαστικών σφαιρών.

Τουλάχιστον 22 άτομα είχαν τραυματιστεί μέχρι αργά το απόγευμα.
Οι διαδηλωτές εξέδωσαν ανακοίνωση-τελεσίγραφο προς την κυβέρνηση της χώρας να άρει την απόφαση για αναγνώριση του Κοσόβου το αργότερο εώς αύριο ενώ σε αντίθετη περίπτωση απείλησαν πως αυτό θα γίνει με "εξωκοινοβουλετική διαδικασία"!

Το 35% των 650.000 κατοίκων της χώρας δηλώνουν Σέρβοι και η εξέλιξη αυτής της κατάστασης δεν είναι δυνατόν να προβλεφθεί.
Στη συγκέντρωση πάντως,για μια φορά ακόμη,ανάμεσα στις Σερβικές και Ρωσικές σημαίες υπήρξαν και αρκετές Ελληνικές (φωτογ.δεξιά).

Η συνεχεια εδω:http://greece-salonika.blogspot.com/2008/10/blog-post_5025.html

Η «πολιτική διαμάχη» Σερβίας-ΠΓΔΜ περνά στο ποδόσφαιρο

2008-10-15T03:45:00.000-07:00

Ο Σέρβος προπονητής της ποδοσφαιρικής ομάδας Βαρντάρ Σκοπίων, παραιτήθηκε επειδή η ΠΓΔΜ αναγνώρισε την ανεξαρτησία του Κοσόβου.

Ο Σέρβος προπονητής της ομάδας Βαρντάρ, της γνωστότερης ποδοσφαιρικής ομάδας της ΠΓΔΜ, Ράτκο Ντόστανιτς, υπέβαλλε χθες την παραίτησή του από την τεχνική ηγεσία της ομάδας αυτής, ως ένδειξη διαμαρτυρίας για το γεγονός ότι η ΠΓΔΜ αναγνώρισε πριν μερικές ημέρες την ανεξαρτησία του Κοσόβου.

Ο Ντόστανιτς ανέφερε ότι λόγοι ηθικής τάξεως τον αναγκάζουν να παραιτηθεί από τον πάγκο της ποδοσφαιρικής αυτής ομάδας από τα Σκόπια, ενώ μαζί με την οικογένεια του εγκατέλειψε τα Σκόπια και επέστρεψε στη Σερβία.

Ο Ντόστανιτς ανέλαβε τα «ηνία» της Βαρντάρ τον Ιούνιο και η ομάδα που μέχρι χθες προπονούσε, προηγείται στον βαθμολογικό πίνακα του πρωταθλήματος της ΠΓΔΜ, επτά αγωνιστικές από την έναρξη του πρωταθλήματος.

Οι Σέρβοι αθλητές και προπονητές είναι οι πλέον πολυάριθμοι ξένοι σε συλλόγους διαφόρων αθλημάτων της ΠΓΔΜ, ωστόσο μέχρι στιγμής, κανείς από αυτούς δεν ακολούθησε το «παράδειγμα» του Ντόστανιτς.

www.kathimerini.gr με πληροφορίες από το ΑΠΕ-ΜΠΕ

Skopje provokes new rift with Athens

2008-10-15T02:51:00.000-07:00

A new diplomatic spat between Greece and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) opened up yesterday as Athens accused Skopje of a “provocative effort to distort the truth” after four visiting FYROM journalists were temporarily held in custody.

FYROM Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski expressed in a statement “serious concern” about the incident, and his government made an official complaint to Greek Ambassador Alexandra Papadopoulou. Skopje said that it would also be informing the European Union about the incident.

The four reporters from FYROM were taken into custody as they covered a protest by locals in Florina, northern Greece, who were complaining about the army’s decision to carry out military exercises at a firing range in the area. A number of protesters, as well as the journalists, were removed after allegedly impeding army vehicles.

The reporters were released after authorities checked their details and ensured that they had not filmed military installations.
FYROM’s actions drew a stinging response from Athens. Foreign Ministry spokesman Giorgos Koumoutsakos accused Gruevski of engaging in “a provocative effort to blatantly distort the truth” and “a new, unacceptable attempt to intervene in Greek domestic affairs.”

Koumoutsakos also accused the FYROM premier of conducting “a conscious policy that cultivates nationalism and bigotry,” before suggesting that Gruevski busy himself with his country’s own affairs. “Mr Gruevski should accept the fact that Greek citizens do not need self-styled advocates, especially those with obvious motives,” he said. “Instead, he should concentrate his efforts on improving what, according to international organizations and observers, is the deteriorating state of democracy in his country.”

source: e-kathimerini

Σκληρή απάντηση ΥΠΕΞ στον Γκρούεφσκι

2008-10-14T07:44:00.000-07:00

Δήλωση Εκπροσώπου ΥΠΕΞ κ. Γ. Κουμουτσάκου σχετικά με τη χθεσινή ανακοίνωση της κυβέρνησης Gruevski

Αθήνα, 14 Οκτωβρίου 2008

«Η χθεσινή ανακοίνωση της κυβέρνησης Gruevski συνιστά νέα προκλητική απόπειρα ωμής διαστρέβλωσης της πραγματικότητας. Συνιστά νέα απαράδεκτη απόπειρα παρέμβασης στα εσωτερικά της Ελλάδας.

Η συνειδητή αυτή πολιτική καλλιέργειας εθνικισμού και μισαλλοδοξίας είναι τουλάχιστον ανεύθυνη.Ας το πάρει απόφαση ο κ. Gruevski.

Οι Έλληνες πολίτες δεν χρειαζόμαστε αυτόκλητους συνηγόρους και μάλιστα με προφανή κίνητρα.Αντ’ αυτού, ας επικεντρώσει το ενδιαφέρον και τις προσπάθειές του στη βελτίωση της, κατά γενική ομολογία διεθνών οργανισμών και παρατηρητών, επιδεινούμενης κατάστασης της δημοκρατίας στη χώρα του».

ΝΕΑ ΕΠΕΙΣΟΔΙΑ ΣΤΗ ΦΛΩΡΙΝΑ

2008-10-14T03:25:00.000-07:00

Η ειδηση απο το :

http://greece-salonika.blogspot.com/2008/10/2202-1-4-1.html

http://www.athina984.gr/node/22832

"Να κινητοποιηθούν οι διανοούμενοι για τα Σκόπια"

2008-10-14T03:06:00.000-07:00

Απο το http://www.macedoniaisgreek.info/¨

Εφημ. Τα Νέα, 14/10/08
Επιστολή στην Εφημερίδα του Μίκη Θεοδωράκη.

Την αγωνία του για το Σκοπιανό και ιδιαίτερα για τους ισχυρισμούς της ΠΓΔΜ περί ύπαρξης μακεδονικής γλώσσας και εθνότητας εκφράζει ο Μίκης Θεοδωράκης σε επιστολή του προς «ΤΑ ΝΕΑ», στην οποία αναρωτιέται γιατί η ελληνική πλευρά δεν χρησιμοποιεί επιστημονικά επιχειρήματα για να αποκαλύψει αυτή τη «γελοιότητα», όπως τη χαρακτηρίζει. O μεγάλος συνθέτης θεωρεί «μέγα εθνικό λάθος» να χαριστεί το όνομα Μακεδονία στους Σκοπιανούς. Το πλήρες κείμενο της επιστολής έχει ως εξής:

«Θέλω να εκφράσω μια μεγάλη απορία που με βασανίζει εδώ και καιρό: Σκοπιανοί και ορισμένοι Αμερικανοί φίλοι τους μας έχουν ζαλίσει εδώ και πολλά χρόνια ότι είναι τάχα οι μοναδικοί Μακεδόνες και ότι η γλώσσα τους είναι η Μακεδονική, δηλαδή αυτή περίπου που μιλούσε ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος. Κι αυτά τα τερατώδη ψέματα διδάσκονται σαν αλήθειες σε ξένα Πανεπιστήμια, ενώ πάνω από 100 κυβερνήσεις σε όλο τον κόσμο τα έχουν εμπράκτως αποδεχθεί σαν ιστορικές αλήθειες.

Ιδού λοιπόν η απορία μου: Υπήρξε έως τώρα από την πλευρά μας η οφειλόμενη επιστημονική αποκάλυψη όλης αυτής της γελοιότητας; Αν ναι, με ποιους επιστημονικούς τρόπους και αν όχι, γιατί; Αφού είναι βέβαιο πως αυτοί οι άνθρωποι είναι καθαρόαιμοι Σλάβοι και η γλώσσα τους είναι καθαρά Σλαβική. Πού είναι η Βουλή των Ελλήνων, η Ακαδημία Αθηνών, τα Ελληνικά Πανεπιστήμια, οι Έλληνες ιστορικοί και γλωσσολόγοι, ώστε με ακλόνητες επιστημονικές αναλύσεις να αποκαλύψουν την αλήθεια στην παγκόσμια κοινή γνώμη, τις κυβερνήσεις, τα Πανεπιστήμια, τα ΜΜΕ των άλλων κρατών, όπως ακριβώς κάνουν οι Σκοπιανοί ανενόχλητοι και μόνοι εδώ και δεκάδες χρόνια; Πώς αξιοποιούνται οι επιστημονικές αναλύσεις και μελέτες ξένων καθηγητών και ειδικών που αποδεικνύουν περίτρανα την αλήθεια των δικών μας θέσεων και γελοιοποιούν τους ισχυρισμούς των Σκοπιανών;

Ιδιαίτερα σε χώρες όπως ο Καναδάς και η Αυστραλία, όπου κυριολεκτικά “σαρώνουν” οι Σκοπιανοί, οι δυστυχείς συμπατριώτες μας μένουν ακάλυπτοι και παραπονεμένοι, εγκαταλελειμμένοι από την Πατρίδα Μητέρα τους που... σφυρίζει αδιάφορα.

Οι Σκοπιανοί έχουν γεμίσει τις μεγάλες Βιβλιοθήκες όλου του κόσμου με χιλιάδες βιβλία, έτσι που στο τέλος, μπροστά σ΄ αυτή τη σιωπηλή αντιμετώπιση αυτών των παραμυθιών, να αρχίζουν να πιστεύουν και οι ίδιοι ότι είναι... κατ΄ ευθείαν απόγονοι του Φιλίππου και της Ολυμπιάδος! Κι έτσι φτάσαμε ώς εδώ, να μας κατηγορούν ότι είμαστε... κατακτητές της Θεσσαλονίκης!

Σας παρακαλώ, κάντε κάτι, γιατί εγώ όπως ξέρετε θεωρούμαι... εθνικιστής και επομένως προκατειλημμένος αφού πιστεύω ότι αποτελεί μέγα εθνικό λάθος να τους χαρίσουμε τουλάχιστον εμείς ένα τόσο ιερό όνομα όπως είναι η Μακεδονία, που τόσο ιστορικά όσο και πολιτιστικά είναι δικό μας, όπως η Θράκη, η Θεσσαλία, η Ήπειρος και η Κρήτη».

RALLY IN UN FOR THE HELLENIC HUMAN RIGHTS IN FYROM

2008-10-13T05:23:00.000-07:00

RALLY FOR THE HELLENIC HUMAN RIGHTS IN FYROM
Monday October 27, 2008
12:00 –2:00 pm

140 East 45th Street
New York City
Between 3rd and Lexington Avenues

The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) mobilizes community activists, with the support of the PAN-MACEDONIAN ASSOCIATION USA, and other associations as well as human rights activists near the United States Mission to the UN in midtown Manhattan.

All who believe in justice and American democratic values are encouraged to join us and demand that: FYROM should stop being the perpetrator of cultural genocide against its historic Hellenic community. Its unapologetic, historically revisionist stance against humanity and violation of human rights should be properly investigated by the US State Department Human Rights division for denying the Hellenic minority in FYROM the right to their Hellenic identity and nationality.

The government of FYROM (with its capital in Skopje) has a long legacy of anti-Hellenic cultural genocide, as their previous regimes forcibly transferred Hellenic nationals to iron curtain countries. All governments in FYROM through force, propaganda, racist discrimination and attempts of forcible assimilation or integration and even terror toward the majority of the Slavophone cultures in their region, have denied the Hellenic minority of its integrity as a distinct peoples.

Since 1912 and onwards the Yugoslav government and FYROM since 1991, when it broke away from Yugoslavia, aspired the political destruction of Hellenism on their territories, especially in Pelagonia, the only real geographical part of Macedonia. They have flagrantly violated the human rights of the Hellenic community in their territory and continue undisturbed to do the same for a host years.

According to Article 15 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A of 10 December 1948

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality. Article 7 of the United Nations Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (26 August 1994) [4] uses the phrase “cultural genocideß.” The complete article reads as follows:

Indigenous peoples have the collective and individual right not to be subjected to ethnocide and cultural genocide, including prevention of and redress for:

(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;

(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;

(c) Any form of population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; (d) Any form of assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;

(e) Any form of propaganda directed against them. FYROM is guilty of all of the above-itemized sub-articles.

The HELLENIC HUMAN RIGHTS RALLY will demand an end to the continuing campaign by the FYROM government to deny the Hellenic identity and nationality of its Hellenic minority.

The HELLENIC HUMAN RIGHTS RALLY will call for human rights violations against the Hellenic community to be publicly investigated and condemned by the US State Department.

Participants will be provided with signs, and Hellenic flags. Speakers will include community activists and human rights experts and live instrumental music from Macedonia. Please be advised that community affairs in New York do not permit signs or banners or flagpoles that are not made from paper or cloth.

The HELLENIC HUMAN RIGHTS RALLY includes the distribution of thousands of informational pamphlets, stickers, t-shirts and expert media packets for the press.

Banners will display the slogans

“SHAME ON FYROM, IDENTITY THEFT OF THE 3,000 YEAR GREEK HERITAGE OF MACEDONIA”

“FYROM STOP ABUSING THE HELLENIC COMMUNITY”

“FYROM GUILTY OF GREEK CHILD ABDUCTION”

“ COMMUNIST BRUTALITY: 1949 28,000 GREEK CHILDREN FORCIBLY TRANSFERRED BY CRIMINAL FYROM”

Please view and distribute our HELLENIC HUMAN RIGHTS RALLY promo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCZnNEBYoKs

Please join us near the United States Mission to the UN, to send a clear and powerful message that the Hellenic people will not live in fear.

The Pan-Macedonian Association of America, Sixty Years of Activity. http://www.PanMacedonian.info
http://www.Macedonia.info

No Marbles No Flame - 2012 London Olympic Games

2008-10-13T03:16:00.000-07:00

Απο το Greek Alert

ήδη ξεκίνησε στο Youtube και στο Facebook...στα blogs ήδη ακούγεται...
Τους «τη σκάμε» με τη φλόγα;
για να δούμε τι θα δούμε ....

e-πιλογες

2008-10-10T05:09:00.000-07:00

ΔΕΝ ΑΡΕΣΕΙ ΣΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ "ΒΟΡΕΙΑ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ"

Τι λένε τα σκοπιανά ΜΜΕ για τη νέα πρόταση Νίμιτς

Το σχέδιο Νίμιτς(8 Οκτ 2008)

Ανακοίνωση Επιτροπής Μακεδονικου Αγώνα για την πρόταση Nimitz

ANCIENT MACEDONIA from HISTORY CHANNEL

ΔΗΜΟΣΙΟΓΡΑΦΟΙ: Κι όμως υπάρχουν άνθρωποι, που καταλαβαίνουν !

Η Σερβία άρει την αναγνώριση των Σκοπίων με το συνταγματικό τους όνομα??

American Chronicle - Όταν η προπαγάνδα καταντάει επιβίωση

Οι Αμερικανοί κλείνουν -άρον άρον- τα ανοιχτά μέτωπα στα Βαλκάνια.

"Ολόκληρη η πρόταση Νίμιτς !"

Τα Σκόπια αναγνώρισαν το Κόσοβο

2008-10-10T00:23:00.000-07:00

Την απόφαση να αναγνωρίσει την ανεξαρτησία του Κoσόβου έλαβε η κυβέρνηση της ΠΓΔΜ, όπως ανακοίνωσε τα ξημερώματα της Παρασκευής ο υπουργός Εξωτερικών της χώρας, Αντόνιο Μιλόσοσκι.
Η Βουλή, με ψήφους 85 υπέρ, 1 κατά και 16 αποχές, ενέκρινε το ψήφισμα που είχαν καταθέσει τα δύο μεγάλα αλβανικά κόμματα της ΠΓΔΜ, ζητώντας να αναγνωριστεί η ανεξαρτησία του Κοσόβου.

Υπενθυμίζεται ότι λίγες ώρες νωρίτερα και το Μαυροβούνιο είχε αναγνωρίσει την ανεξαρτησία του Κοσόβου. Από όλες τις χώρες που προέκυψαν από τη διάλυση της πρώην Γιουγκοσλαβίας, μόνο η Βοσνία - Ερζεγοβίνη δεν έχει αναγνωρίσει το Κόσοβο.

H πρέσβειρα του Μαυροβουνίου στη Σερβία, Άνκα Βόιβοντιτς, καλείται να εγκαταλείψει τη χώρα μέσα σε διάστημα 48 ωρών. H απέλαση της πρέσβειρας του Μαυροβουνίου αποτελεί την αντίδραση της Σερβίας στην απόφαση της Ποντγκόριτσα να αναγνωρίσει την ανεξαρτησία του Κοσόβου.

O σέρβος υπουργός Εξωτερικών, Βουκ Γέρεμιτς, δικαιολογώντας την αντίδραση του Βελιγραδίου στην πράξη αναγνώρισης του Κοσόβου από το Μαυροβούνιο ανέφερε ότι αποτελεί την καταλληλότερη απάντηση σε κάθε χώρα που δεν σέβεται την κυριαρχία και την εδαφική ακεραιότητα της Σερβίας.

Η σερβική κυβέρνηση μετά τη χθεσινή απόφαση του ΟΗΕ να εξεταστεί από το διεθνές δικαστήριο της Χάγης* η νομιμότητα της ανεξαρτησίας του Κοσόβου θα αντιδράσει με σκληρότητα και αποφασιστικότητα σε κάθε πράξη αμφισβήτησης της εδαφικής μας ακεραιότητας, δήλωσε στην δημόσια σερβική Τηλεόραση ο κ. Βουκ Γέρεμιτς.
Ο αρχηγός της σερβικής διπλωματίας ανήγγειλε και μέτρα κατά της ΠΓΔΜ που επίσης αναγνώρισε το Κόσοβο

*Με ψήφους 77 υπέρ, 6 κατά αλλά και 74 αποχές -μεταξύ των οποίων ήταν και πολλές χωρών της Ευρωπαϊκής Ενωσης- η Γενική Συνέλευση ενέκρινε το αίτημα της Σερβίας να ζητηθεί από το Διεθνές Δικαστήριο της Χάγης να γνωμοδοτήσει για το κατά πόσο η μονομερής ανακήρυξη της ανεξαρτησίας του Κοσόβου είναι σύμφωνη προς το διεθνές δίκαιο.

Μεταξύ των χωρών που ψήφισαν κατά ήταν οι ΗΠΑ και η Αλβανία, ενώ η Βρετανία και η Γερμανία απείχαν. Αντίθετα, η Ελλάδα, η Κύπρος, η Ισπανία, η Ρουμανία και η Σλοβακία υπερψήφισαν το σερβικό αίτημα.

MACEDONIA INFO

2008-10-09T03:55:00.000-07:00

MACEDONIA 4,000 years Hellenic

MACEDONIAN INFORMATION CENTER

Παιδιά, τα καταφέραμε (λίγο μας έμεινε!). Απο την 36 θέση ξεκινήσαμε και σε 17 μόλις ημέρες φτάσαμε το Macedonia.info στην 16! Δηλαδή 20 θέσεις επάνω και 6 πριν το στόχο μας, την Πρώτη Σελίδα!

Νομίζω πως πρέπει να αισθανόμαστε πολύ όμορφα. Εγώ τουλάχιστον έτσι νοιώθω. Εκτός απο τα παράπονα, τις γκρίνιες και τα “αν”, μπορούμε να είμαστε πρακτικοί και να πετυχαίνουμε πολλά, όπως αποδικνύεται καθημερινά απο τα ενεργά και δραστήρια blogs που συμμετέχουν ή ξεκινούν πολλές ανάλογες ενέργειες.

Έφτιαξα και ενα video “ανασκόπηση” για όσους δεν συμμετείχαν ακόμη (κάντε το, είναι πανεύκολο) και για όσους βέβαια συμμετείχαν. Αλλά κυρίως, για τους Έλληνες μακεδόνες που τους το αφιερώνω.

Το άρθρο έγραψε ο Αλέξανδρος

Civilization in FYROM

2008-10-08T09:32:00.000-07:00

FYROMS educational system in action.....

a collapsed society composed from collapsed individuals cannot instill some sophistication into its youth…………….take a look into FYROMs classrooms!!

By Wasilj

Νίμιτς: Παρέδωσα στους διαπραγματευτές νέα δέσμη ιδεών για λύση

2008-10-08T09:18:00.000-07:00

Χωρίς να δώσει λεπτομέρειες για το περιεχόμενο, ο Μ. Νίμιτς δήλωσε, μετά την κοινή συνάντηση με τους διαπραγματευτές Ελλάδας και ΠΓΔΜ, πως κατέθεσε μια «συνολική βάση» για την επίλυση του ζητήματος της ονομασίας των Σκοπίων.
«Οι ιδέες μου βασίζονται στο να βρεθεί μια λογική, αξιοπρεπής και λειτουργική λύση», τόνισε, σημειώνοντας πως εξαρτάται από τις δύο πλευρές να εξετάσουν τι είναι σωστό και δίκαιο για την καθεμιά. Είναι θέμα που θα πρέπει να επιλυθεί, πρόσθεσε ο κ. Νίμιτς, αλλά δεν είναι το τέλος του δρόμου. Κάλεσε και τα δυο κράτη να σκεφτούν καλά την πρότασή του, μια «συνολική βάση για την επίλυση του ζητήματος», όπως είπε.

Ο ειδικός διαμεσολαβητής είπε πως ο ρόλος του δεν τελειώνει και πως θα βρίσκεται σε επικοινωνία με τις δυο πλευρές προκειμένου να δουν τι χρειάζεται να γίνει το επόμενο διάστημα. Τόνισε ωστόσο πως δεν θα εμπλακεί σε εσωτερικά ζητήματα.
Ο κ. Νίμιτς ρωτήθηκε τι θα γίνει σε περίπτωση απόρριψης της πρότασής του και απάντησε πως υπάρχει η «σολομώντεια λύση» αλλά δεν είναι βασιλιάς και δεν έχει τέτοιες εξουσίες. «Το τι θα συμβεί στο μέλλον εξαρτάται από τις ίδιες τις δυο χώρες», κατέληξε.

ΟΧΙ «ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ» ΣΤΟΥΣ ΣΛΑΒΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΣΚΟΠΙΩΝ!

2008-10-04T01:47:00.000-07:00

Διακήρυξη του Ελληνοκαναδικού Κογκρέσου

Το Ελληνοκαναδικό Κογκρέσο με τη συντριπτική πλειοψηφία των Ελλήνων, με πρωτοπόρους και οδηγούς τους Έλληνες της Μακεδονίας, την Παν-μακεδονική Καναδά και τις Μακεδονικές οργανώσεις στις πέντε Ηπείρους διαμηνύει προς πάσα κατεύθυνση και ιδιαιτέρως προς Αθήνα, Σκόπια, Βρυξέλες, Ουάσινγκτον και Ο.Η.Ε., ότι:

Επιθυμούμε την ευημερία, πρόοδο και ανάπτυξη, και προωθούμε τη φιλία και συνεργασία όλων των λαών της Βαλκανικής εφόσον υπάρχει πνεύμα αληθινής συνεργασίας και γειτονίας και με θετικές προοπτικές για την Ελλάδα.

Επιθυμούμε την συμμετοχή στους διεθνείς οργανισμούς και οικογένειες όλων των ενδιαφερομένων χωρών εφόσον αυτές πληρούν τις ανάλογες προϋποθέσεις και σύμφωνα με την νομοθεσία ένταξης των οργανισμών αυτών.

Δηλώνουμε ότι δεν πρόκειται ΠΟΤΕ να αναγνωρίσουμε τις ανιστόρητες διεκδικήσεις και τον παράλογο σφετερισμό της Ελληνικής και Μακεδονικής ταυτότητάς μας από τους Σλάβους των Σκοπίων, ή από οποιουσδήποτε.

Ζητούμε να σταματήσει η εθνικιστική προπαγάνδα από τους Σλάβους των Σκοπίων στα εκπαιδευτικά τους ιδρύματα τα οποία γαλουχούν τις νεώτερες γενεές με μεγαλοϊδεατισμούς, αλυτρωτικές τάσεις και διαθέσεις.

Ζητούμε πλήρη αναθεώρηση των ψευδών ισχυρισμών και αποκατάσταση της ιστορικής αλήθειας στα σχολικά τους εγχειρίδια.

Ζητούμε να σταματήσει κάθε αβάσιμη δημαγωγία, αλυτρωτική διεκδίκηση και προπαγάνδα, στο δημόσιο τομέα και τις ένοπλες δυνάμεις τους.

Απαιτούμε οι επόμενες γενιές των Ελλήνων να μην πληρώσουν τα λάθη σημερινών χειρισμών και αποφάσεων των ελληνικών κυβερνήσεων. Το θέμα με τα Σκόπια πρέπει να κλείσει εδώ, και αν χρειαστεί, με τελεία διακοπή επαφών.

Δηλώνουμε ότι η Ελληνική ιστορία και το όνομα «Μακεδονία» θα πρέπει να παύσουν να είναι αντικείμενο διαπραγματεύσεων.

Ζητούμε να μην υπογραφεί από την Ελλάδα καμία συμφωνία περί ονομασίας που περιέχει το ελληνικό όνομα Μακεδονία.

Ζητούμε από την Ελληνική Πολιτεία να ασκήσει το δικαίωμα της αρνησικυρίας (Veto) σε κάθε ενταξιακή διαδικασία της γειτονικής χώρας στην Ευρωπαϊκή Ενωση και στην Ατλαντική Συμμαχία μέχρις ότου αποφασίσει σε ένα όνομα και μία λύση που δεν θα προσβάλει άλλο τον ελληνικό λαό, την ιστορία του, την παράδοση και πολιτιστική του κληρονομιά, και ούτε θα υπονοεί απειλή κατά της εδαφικής ακεραιότητας της Ελλάδας.

Ζητούμε από την Ελληνική Πολιτεία να αντιδράσει δυναμικά και αποφασιστικά ενάντια στον όποιο διασυρμό υφίσταται από την αλυτρωτική προπαγάνδα των Σλάβων των Σκοπίων.

Ζητούμε από την Ελληνική Εκκλησία να σταθεί πρωτοπόρα στο πλευρό των Ελλήνων όπως έκανε σε όλους τους αγώνες του Εθνους και να ηχήσει το σάλπισμα της αφύπνισης για τον εθνικό κίνδυνο.

Ζητούμε από τον επιχειρηματικό κόσμο, και τις Ελληνικές Επιχειρήσεις που έχουν επενδύσει στα Σκόπια να αναλάβουν τις ευθύνες τους και να ασκήσουν αμέσως οικονομικές πιέσεις στην κυβέρνηση των Σκοπίων για να εξαντλήσουν τα αποθέματα επιδότησης των αλυτρωτικών διαθέσεων ενάντια στην Ελλάδα.

Ζητούμε από την Διεθνή Κοινότητα να αναθεωρήσει την πολιτική της στα Βαλκάνια που οδηγεί την ευρύτερη περιοχή σε αποσταθεροποίηση και την καθιστά συνεργό σε αλυτρωτικές ενέργειες και στην απειλή κατά της εδαφικής ακεραιότητας της Ελλάδας.

Ζητούμε από την Ελληνική Πολιτεία να διερευνήσει το θέμα των Ελλήνων της Βαρντάρσκα και του Τίτο, με προσφυγή στην Επιτροπή των Ανθρωπίνων Δικαιωμάτων σε περίπτωση που αποκαλυφθεί ότι υπάρχει εκεί Ελληνισμός σήμερα πού αποσιωπείται.

Ζητούμε από την Ελληνική Κυβέρνηση να εξετάσει πιθανή προσφυγή των Σλάβων των Σκοπίων στο Δικαστήριο της Χάγης για κλοπή της Ελληνικής πολιτιστικής κληρονομιάς και ταυτότητας.

Μην παραδώσετε την Ελληνική Ιστορική, Πολιτισμική και Eθνική κληρονομιά της Ελληνικής Μακεδονίας εις τον αιώνα τον άπαντα με τυχόν απόφασή σας να παραδώσετε τον όρο «Μακεδονία» σε οποιαδήποτε μορφή, ούτε στο Αλβανο-Σλαβικό κράτος με πρωτεύουσα τα Σκόπια, ούτε σε κανέναν.

Αν σε κάθε γέφυρα που χτίζουμε με παραδοσιακούς φίλους ή με άσπονδους γείτονες εμείς παραχωρούμε ένα κομμάτι της ταυτότητας και της εθνικής μας κυριαρχίας, προς «χάριν της ειρήνης και της ασφάλειας στην διευρυμένη Ευρώπη» ενώ από την άλλη μεριά της γέφυρας σμιλεύουν την δική τους εθνική ταυτότητα σε δικά μας λευκά μάρμαρα, τότε στο μέλλον η Ελλάδα θα είναι πραγματικά: «…κάποια τέως χώρα της Νοτιοανατολικής Ευρώπης…».

Μην το κάνετε!.

Ελληνοκαναδικό Κογκρέσο
25 χρόνια στην υπηρεσία του Ελληνισμού, 25 χρόνια στο πλευρό των Ελλήνων του Καναδά.

πηγή ellines.ca

Η Helvetic Airways παρουσιάζει την FYROM ως "Μακεδονία"

2008-10-03T03:27:00.000-07:00

από το hellenicrevenge

Οι αναγνώστες έχουν μπει για τα καλά στην αναζήτηση ιστοσελίδων που πλαστογραφούν την Ιστορία μας. Μία τέτοια ιστοσελίδα ανακάλυψε κι ένας φίλος και σας την παραθέτουμε.

Η Helvetic Airways αναγνωρίζει τη FYROM ως "Μακεδονία".

http://www.flylowcostairlines.org/aeroporiki-etairia-xamiloy-kostoys/aerogrammi-helvetic-airways.html

Νομίζω ότι όλοι γνωρίζουμε πλέον τι πρέπει να κάνουμε.

Στα δεξιά λοιπόν του συνδέσμου που σας παραθέτουμε παραπάνω, θα δείτε "Σχόλια".

Επιλέγετε την τρίτη επιλογή "Το κείμενο είναι ανακριβές".

Κατόπιν πληκτρολογείτε το κείμενο παρακάτω

We regret to inform you that there is no country with the name "Macedonia" as you mention in your site.The exact UN acknowledged name is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). We are deeply disappointed with this misinformation and we expect you to correct this terrible mistake, which is a history forgery, the soonest.

Regards,

To e-mail σας (αν θέλετε να σας σταλεί απάντηση)

Ας το στείλουμε όλοι.

Πάρα πολλές τέτοιες προσπάθειες έχουν βρει απήχηση και πιστεύουμε πως με την συμμετοχή όλων θα καταφέρουμε να διορθωθεί και η παραπάνω ιστοσελίδα που παρουσιάζει τα Σκόπια ως "Μακεδονία".

Η λίστα άλλαξε!

2008-10-03T02:47:00.000-07:00

Το θεμα ειναι απο το :GREECE-SALONIKA

Κι όμως έστω και ένα email μπορεί να κάνει τη διαφορά.
Φίλος αναγνώστης,Έλληνας του εξωτερικού (κ. Chris K.) ,μας ενημέρωσε χθες πως επικοινώνησε με τους διαχειριστές της σελίδας "if the world could vote"
-που παρουσιάσαμε στο Greece Salonika με χθεσινό δημοσίευμα-
και ζήτησε να διορθωθεί το όνομα της ΠΓΔΜ από "Μacedonia" σε "Fyrom"όπως είναι το σωστό.

Oι διαχειριστές απάντησαν άμεσα στέλνοντας το παρακάτω απαντητικό email:

"Thank you,
I've told the programmer about this,
and we will fix this soon!Best regards,
Bragi ThorReykjavikIceland"

Kαι ως εκ θαύματος άλλαξε αυτόματα και η ονομασία!

Η ιστοσελίδα iftheworldcouldvote στις εκλογές του 2004 είχε 121 εκατομμύρια επισκέπτες ενώ φέτος αναμένει σημαντική αύξηση στον αριθμό αυτό..

**Παρόμοιο email προς τους διαχειριστές της εν λόγω ιστοσελίδας απέστειλε χθες και το εξαιρετικό blog taxalia σύμφωνα με σημερινό δημοσίευμα των συμπολιτών bloggers.
"Η ισχύς εν τη ενώσει"...

Ο πλανήτης προτιμά τον Μπ. Ομπάμα με ποσοστό 87%.(Εξαίρεση η ΠΓΔΜ..!)

2008-10-03T02:35:00.000-07:00

Το θεμα ειναι απο το :GREECE-SALONIKA

Η ιστοσελίδα "if the world could vote" (μτφρ."αν ο Κόσμος μπορούσε να ψηφίσει) πραγματοποιεί παγκόσμιο δημοψήφισμα καλώντας χρήστες του ίντερνετ απ΄ όλες τις χώρες του κόσμου-εκτός Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών- να επιλέξουν ανάμεσα στους 2 αμερικανούς υποψηφίους για το χρίσμα των προεδρικών εκλογών.

Στις εκλογές του 2004 περισσότεροι από 122 εκατομμύρια άνθρωποι απ'όλο τον κόσμο (για την ακρίβεια 122.267.553) ανταποκρίθηκαν στο κάλεσμα ενώ φέτος αναμένεται πολύ μεγαλύτερος αριθμός χρηστών.Το ενδιαφέρον είναι πως από τους πολίτες των 176 χωρών που έχουν εώς τώρα ψηφίσει -και ενώ συνολικά ο Μπ.Ομπάμα προηγείται με 87% έναντι 13% του αντιπάλου του- ο Τζον Μακέιν αποσπά τα μεγαλύτερα ποσοστά του-παγκοσμίως- στην ΠΓΔΜ* με το..καθεστωτικό ποσοστό του 92,3%!!

Ποσοστά άνω του 80% είναι συνηθισμένα για τον Μπ.Ομπάμα σε όλες σχεδόν τις χώρες του κόσμου ενώ ελάχιστες είναι αυτές που στηρίζουν τον Ρεπουμπλικανό υποψήφιο..

Η αλήθεια είναι πως δημοσιεύματα των τελευταίων εβδομάδων στα Σκόπια αναφέρονται πολύ συχνά στις σχέσεις του Μπ.Ομπάμα με την Ελληνική Ομογένεια ενώ αίσθηση είχε κάνει και η αποκάλυψη πως ο υποψήφιος αντιπρόεδρος Τζο Μπάιντεν έχει επίσης μακρά σχέση με το Ελληνικό λόμπυ καθώς ως γερουσιαστής ήταν αυτός που μπλόκαρε τις πωλήσεις όπλων στην Τουρκία μετά την επέμβασή της στην Κύπρο το 1974.

Για μεταφορά στη σελίδα των εώς τώρα αποτελεσμάτων πατήστε εδώ .

Εάν θέλετε να συμμετάσχετε στο δημοψήφισμα πατήστε εδώ .

Το Macedonia.info 10 θέσεις επάνω! Αλλάξαμε σελίδα!

2008-10-01T02:28:00.000-07:00

Ανεβήκαμε 10 ολόκληρες θέσεις στην κατάταξη μέσα σε 5 μέρες και μάλιστα απο την 4η σελίδα αποτελεσμάτων βρισκόμαστε στην 3η!

Για να γίνει αυτό γνωρίζω πως έχετε συμμετάσχει μαζικά.

Πάμε για την πρώτη θέση!

Πηγη:tech-spot

Δυναμική αντεπίθεση στα Σκόπια από την Ομογένεια των ΗΠΑ – Διαδήλωση στον ΟΗΕ για τα δικαιώματα των Ελλήνων της FYROM!

2008-10-01T02:09:00.000-07:00

Νέα Υόρκη- Η Ομογένεια της Νέας Υόρκης δίνει άλλη διάσταση στο θέμα των Σκοπίων με ενδιαφέρον – για πρώτη φορά από όλους τους Έλληνες – για τα ανθρώπινα δικαιώματα 250 χιλιάδων συμπατριωτών μας που ζουν στα Σκόπια!

Και προχωρεί σε συγκέντρωση - διαδήλωση διαμαρτυρίας στην έδρα του ΟΗΕ, στη Νέα Υόρκη, για την καταπίεση των ανθρωπίνων δικαιωμάτων της ελληνικής μειονότητας των Σκοπίων καλώντας τον Ελληνισμό της Νέας Υόρκης, ο

«Συνασπισμός για τα Ανθρώπινα Δικαιώματα των Ελλήνων», την Δευτέρα 27 Οκτωβρίου!

Παράλληλα, καλούνται τα μέλη της Ελληνικής Ομογένειας σε κινητοποίηση και δράση, με έγγραφα και τηλεφωνικά διαβήματα ενημέρωσης και διαμαρτυρίας στο αρμόδιο τμήμα του Στέιτ Ντηπάρτμεντ, για τη διαπραττόμενη από το καθεστώς των Σκοπίων πολιτιστική γενοκτονία σε βάρος της ελληνικής μειονότητας στη γειτονική χώρα!

Η σχετική ανακοίνωση τονίζει ότι πολυάριθμες πληροφορίες τους τελευταίους μήνες αναφέρουν «μιαν εντεινόμενη εκστρατεία ρατσιστικής καταπίεσης σε βάρος των 250.000 Ελλήνων που ζουν στις περιοχές υπό τον έλεγχο της κυβέρνησης των Σκοπίων».

Καταγγέλλει ότι η σκοπιανή κυβέρνηση είναι ένοχη καταπάτησης των ανθρωπίνων δικαιωμάτων, πολιτιστικής γενοκτονίας και εθνοκτονίας. Επισημαίνει ότι στα μέλη των ιστορικών ελληνικών κοινοτήτων που διαβιούσαν στην περιοχή του Μοναστηρίου, πολλές εκ των οποίων έχουν τώρα διασκορπιστεί σε όλη την επικράτεια των Σκοπίων, η κυβέρνηση έχει στερήσει την ελευθερία του συνέρχεσθαι και συνεταιρίζεσθαι.

Δεν τους επιτρέπονται η οργάνωση σε συλλόγους και οι ομαδικές συγκεντρώσεις, μέτρα που αποτελούν βαριές παραβιάσεις ανθρωπίνων δικαιωμάτων, όπως ορίζονται από τη Διακήρυξη των Ηνωμένων Εθνών και κυρίως του δικαιώματος στην Εθνικότητα.

Προσθέτει ότι «η σημερινή σκοπιανή κυβέρνηση συνεχίζει την μακριά παράδοση πολιτιστικής γενοκτονίας του ελληνικού πληθυσμού που εφάρμοσαν οι προκάτοχές της, φιλο-ναζιστική και κομμουνιστική, με τη βίαιη κατάληψη ελληνικών γαιών, μεταφορά πληθυσμών, καταπιεστικές ρατσιστικές διακρίσεις και προπαγάνδα, στερώντας μέχρι και σήμερα από τους ελληνικούς πληθυσμούς την ιδιαίτερη εθνική τους ταυτότητα, με βίαιη ενσωμάτωση και αφομοίωση στην πλειοψηφική σλαβική κουλτούρα και τρόπους ζωής, που επιβάλλει με νομοθετική, διοικητικά και άλλα μέτρα, που περιλαμβάνουν και την τρομοκράτηση».

Αναφέρει πρόσφατα παραδείγματα ελληνικών οικογενειών στις οποίες η κυβέρνηση των Σκοπίων απέρριψε την αίτησή τους να ανακτήσουν τα ελληνικά τους ονόματα, αντί των σλαβικών που τους είχαν υποχρεώσει να υιοθετήσουν. Αρνήθηκε με το επιχείρημα ότι η αλλαγή «θα μετέβαλλε την προσωπική τους ταυτότητα» και «δημιουργούσε προσκόμματα στις νομικές διαδικασίες».

Πρέπει να υπογραμμισθεί και να εξαρθεί ότι το προσκλητήριο για την κινητοποίηση απευθύνεται στους πατριώτες ομογενείς της Αμερικής, πέραν και πάνω από «επίσημες» οργανώσεις και συλλόγους με διασυνδέσεις με ελληνικές αρχές ή εκκλησία. Ότι φέρει τα χαρακτηριστικά υποδειγματικού σχεδίου δράσης, με οδηγίες μέσω διαδικτύου, πρότυπα επιστολών διαμαρτυρίας και υποδείγματα τηλεφωνημάτων χαρακτηριστικά οργανωτικής ποιότητας πρωτοφανή σε ελληνική παροικιακή πρωτοβουλία και παρόμοια της εξαιρετικά οργανωμένης Αρμενικής κοινότητας των ΗΠΑ.

Βέβαια την πρωτοβουλία για τη συγκρότηση αυτού του «Συνασπισμού για τα Ανθρώπινα Δικαιώματα των Ελλήνων» την είχε... το «Κυπριακό Δίκτυο Δράσης της Αμερικής»!

Τι επεξεργάζεται ο κ. Νίμιτς

Στην κατάθεση συνολικής πρότασης για το όνομα, «την τελευταία σε αυτή τη φάση», προσανατολίζεται ο Μάθιου Νίμιτς, ο οποίος οικοδομεί την προσέγγισή του στην εκατέρωθεν αποδοχή της ονομασίας «Βόρεια» ή «Άνω Μακεδονία», και ταυτόχρονα αναζητεί τρόπους υπερπήδησης του σκοπέλου της εθνότητας που προκαλεί αυξανόμενη συναισθηματική φόρτιση σε Αθήνα και Σκόπια.

Επεξεργάζεται, χωρίς να έχει καταλήξει οριστικά, τη σκέψη να προσδιορίζεται η υπηκοότητα των πολιτών της γειτονικής χώρας ως «μακεδονική» αλλά στη σλαβική της μορφή και γραμμένη στα λατινικά (Makedonski), χωρίς να εκχωρεί αποκλειστικά στα Σκόπια τη μακεδονική εθνότητα, κάτι άλλωστε που ο ίδιος δήλωσε πως δεν εμπίπτει στην αρμοδιότητα των Ην. Εθνών.

Πηγές στον ΟΗΕ και την Ουάσιγκτον τόνιζαν ότι η επισήμανση πως «τα Σκόπια δεν μπορούν να εκφράζουν το όλον, αλλά μόνο το τμήμα που τους αναλογεί», ηχεί απόλυτα λογική.

Μετά τις συναντήσεις του με την Ντόρα Μπακογιάννη και τον Μπράνκο Τσερβένκοφσκι τις προηγούμενες ημέρες στη Νέα Υόρκη, ο κ. Νίμιτς εμφανίζεται συγκρατημένα αισιόδοξος. Θεωρεί ότι για πρώτη φορά οι δύο πλευρές συνομιλούν με σοβαρότητα, και τηρούν την αναγκαία εχεμύθεια χωρίς να υποκύπτουν σε καταστροφικές για τη διαπραγμάτευση δημόσιες αντιδράσεις ή διαρροές.

Ο μεσολαβητής υπολογίζει σε στήριξη της όποιας συμφωνίας από τον Γιώργο Παπανδρέου, ο οποίος ως υπ. Εξωτερικών είχε συμφωνήσει στο Gorna Makedonija, ενώ βρίσκεται σε συνεχή επαφή και με τον εθνικιστή και περισσότερο παρορμητικό Νίκολα Γκρούεφσκι.

Η συνάντηση με τους διαπραγματευτές των δύο χωρών θα πραγματοποιηθεί σε περίπου μια εβδομάδα στην Ευρώπη. Αρχικά είχε συζητηθεί η Γενεύη, αλλά μάλλον αναζητείται άλλη πόλη (Βιέννη, Λονδίνο, Παρίσι) που να εξυπηρετείται με απ’ ευθείας πτήσεις από Νέα Υόρκη, Αθήνα και Σκόπια. Ο κ. Νίμιτς προβληματίζεται πάντως από το γεγονός ότι εάν καταθέσει την πρότασή του, δεν θα λάβει άμεσα απάντηση καθώς οι διαπραγματευτές θα πρέπει να επιστρέψουν στις χώρες τους για περαιτέρω διαβουλεύσεις πριν από την τελική απάντηση.

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Ν. Γκατζούλη: «Η Ελληνική Κυβέρνηση, με την σύνθετη ονομασία, έχει κάνει ένα τρομερό λάθος»

2008-10-01T01:53:00.000-07:00

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Η Πρόεδρος της Παμμακεδονικής Ομοσπονδίας, στις Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες, κ. Νίνα Γκατζούλη παραχώρησε προς την εφημερίδα μα, την εξής ενδιαφέρουσα αποκλειστική συνέντευξη, για τις διαφορές Ελλάδας-Σκοπίων, αλλά και για την έκτακτη συνάντηση που είχε με τον Προεδρικό υποψήφιο, Γερουσιαστή Μπαράκ Ομπάμα.

Το πλήρες κείμενο έχει ως ακολούθως:

Ε. κ. Γκατζούλη, σας ευχαριστούμε θερμά για την συνέντευξη σας, προς την εφημερίδα μας. Ως Πρόεδρος της Παμμακεδονικής Ομοσπονδίας, θα θέλατε να μας πείτε που ίσταται όλη αυτή η ιστορία με τα Σκόπια, με την ευκαιρία της επικείμενης επίσκεψης της Υπουργού Εξωτερικών, Ντόρας Μπακογιαννη, στη Νέα Υόρκη, όπου και θα έχει διάφορες επαφές.

Α. κ. Παπαντωνίου και εγώ σας ευχαριστώ πολύ. Σε μιας από τις εκδηλώσεις, στις οποίες θα παραβρεθεί η κ. Μπακογιάννη, έχω προσκληθεί, και θα παραστώ με την ιδιότητα της Προέδρου της Παμμακεδονικής. Ύστερα από τηλεφωνική επικοινωνία που είχα με τον διπλωμάτη μας, κ. Παναγιώτη Γιωτόπουλο, της Ελληνικής Πρεσβείας στην Ουάσιγκτον, η κ. Μπακογιάννη θα έλθει μόνο για τις εργασίες της Γενικής Συνέλευσης του ΟΗΕ. Δηλαδή, από ό,τι μου είπε, δεν θα υπάρξουν οποιεσδήποτε άλλες διεργασίες γύρω από το Σκοπιανό.

Ε. Τι είδους εκδήλωση είναι αυτή στην οποία προσκληθήκατε ως Παμμακεδονική;

A.Πρόκειται για δεξίωση διαφόρων ομογενειακών παραγόντων και φορέων , στην οποία με έχουν προσκαλέσει. Εκείνο που θέλω να τονίσω, είναι πως, όπως μου είπε η Ελληνική Πρεσβεία, η κ. Μπακογιάννη έρχεται αποκλειστικά και μόνο για τις εργασίες του Οργανισμού Ηνωμένων Έθνών. Δεν γνωρίζω τίποτε άλλο.

Ε. Ποια είναι η θέση της Παμμακεδονικής, σ’ ολη αυτή την υπόθεση της διένεξης με τα Σκόπια, γύρω από το όνομα;

Α. Η θέση της Παμμακεδονικής, κ. Παπαντωνίου, είναι πάγια, την γνωρίζουν όλοι, καθώς και η Ελληνική Κυβέρνηση. Ως Παμμακεδονική, αντιταχθήκαμε στην σύνθετη ονομασία, την οποία έχει προωθήσει η Ελληνική Κυβέρνηση, λίγο πριν από το Βουκουρέστι. Η Ελληνική Κυβέρνηση, με την σύνθετη ονομασία, έχει κάνει ένα τρομερό λάθος, γιατί δεν έχει προσδιορισθεί που θα είναι το επίθετο. Θα είναι πριν από την λέξη «Μακεδονία», ή απλώς μια σύνθετη ονομασία; Δεν μπορεί να είναι αυτό που συμπεριλαμβάνει ο κ. Νίμιτς στην πρότασή του «Νέα Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας», ή «Βόρεια Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας». Έχει μεγάλη σημασία η διαφορά μεταξύ «Δημοκρατία Νέας Μακεδονίας» και «Νέα Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας». Η «Νέα Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας», απλώς είναι μια «Μακεδονία» καινούργια. Βόρεια της Ελλάδας, αν ο προσδιορισμός είναι Βόρεια Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας.

Ε. Τι σημαίνουν όλα αυτά για σας, κ. Γκατζούλη; Τι είναι εκείνο που φοβάστε;

Α. Αυτό σημαίνει, κ. Παπαντωνίου, πολύ καθαρά, ότι αυτοί θέλουν να ονομάζονται «Μακεδόνες». Πρόκειται για κλοπή ενός ενδόξου Ελληνικού ονόματος, καταξιωμένου από ιστορία χιλιάδων χρόνων, και που ανήκει στην Ελληνική Γη της Μακεδονίας, Πατρίδας του Μεγάλου Αλεξάνδρου! Δηλαδή, ειλικρινά, δεν μπορώ να καταλάβω, πως αλλιώς θα λέγονται «Βόρειοι Δημοκράτες της Μακεδονίας;»

Ε. Ποια ήταν η απάντηση της Αθήνας στις εύλογες αυτές αιτιάσεις σας και ανησυχίες, να μη γίνει αποδεκτή μια τέτοια ονομασία;

Α. Λάβαμε μια επιστολή από το Ελληνικό Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών, που ευγενικά μας ευχαριστεί για τις επισημάνσεις μας και στο πως θα πρέπει να συμβάλλουμε και εμείς στον αγώνα αυτό. Και μας παροτρύνει να συνεχίσουμε την στήριξη και την υποστήριξη, για να συνεχίσουν απρόσκοπτα και αποτελεσματικά το έργο τους. Ήταν μια απάντηση, που λάβαμε, στις 17 Ιουλίου, στην επιστολή μας προς τον Πρωθυπουργό της Ελλάδας, Κώστα Καραμανλή, στις 30 Ιουνίου.

Ε. Κ. Γκατζούλη, είχατε άλλη επαφή με τις Ελληνικές Αρχές από τις 17 Ιουλίου μέχρι σήμερα;

Α. Μόνο σε επίπεδο Πρεσβείας, όταν, στις 10 Σεπτεμβρίου, παρευρισκόμενη στο επίσημο δείπνο, που παρέθεσε ο Πρέσβης, κ. Αλέξανδρος Μαλλιάς, στην πρεσβευτική κατοικία, προς τιμήν της δυναμικής Αμερικανίδας ομοσπονδιακού βουλευτού, Κάρολιν Μαλλόνι., στην οποία ανέπτυξα και τις θέσεις μας, σε κατ’ ιδίαν συζήτηση, που είχα μαζί της. Θα πρέπει να προσθέσω εδώ, ότι επισκεφθήκαμε την Ελλάδα, το περασμένο Καλοκαίρι, και συναντηθήκαμε με αρκετούς Υπουργούς και Βουλευτές, μόνο όμως στο χώρο της Μακεδονίας μας, τους οποίους ενημερώσαμε και ανταλλάξαμε χρήσιμες απόψεις. Είδαμε και τον Υπουργό Μακεδονίας-Θράκης. Επιστρέψαμε αρκετά ικανοποιημένοι.

Ε. Κ. Γκαζούλη, επιτρέψτε μας να περάσουμε, τώρα, στην επίκαιρη ιστορία, με την έκτακτη συνάντηση που είχατε, με τον προεδρικό υποψήφιο του Δημοκρατικού Κόμματος, Γερουσιαστή Μπαράκ Ομπάμα, στην οποία δόθηκε ευρεία δημοσιότητα. Τι ακριβές συνέβη;

A. Συναντήθηκα με τον Μπαράκ Ομπάμα, την περασμένη Παρασκευή, στο Ντόβερ του Νιου Χάμσαϊρ, όπου διαμένω. Την προηγούμενη ημέρα, ο σύζυγός μου έλαβε ένα τηλεφώνημα-πρόσκληση, για να παραστούμε σε μια κλειστή εκδήλωση, στην οποία θα παρουσιαζόταν ο Μπαράκ Ομπάμα, και θα εκφωνούσε λόγο. Ήταν μια εκδήλωση μόνο με προσκλήσεις. Μίλησε ο Μπαράκ Ομπάμα, επί 45 ολόκληρα λεπτά, παρουσιάζοντας το πρόγραμμά , που θα ακολουθήσει, αν θα εκλεγεί Πρόεδρος των Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών. Στο τέλος της ομιλίας του, δέχθηκε ερωτήσεις. Σε κάποια στιγμή, σήκωσα και εγώ το χέρι μου, ζητώντας το λόγο. Πράγματι ήμουνα τυχερή, διότι μου δόθηκε ο λόγος. Ανέπτυξα στον κ. Ομπάμα πολύ καλά το θέμα μας, γιατί ήμουνα αρκετά καλά προετοιμασμένη.

Ε. Τι ακριβώς είπατε και ρωτήσατε τον Γερουσιαστή, Μπαράκ Ομπάμα;

Α. Κατ’ αρχήν, του πρόσφερα ορισμένα δώρα, συγκεκριμένα διάφορα βιβλία για την Μακεδονία μας, καθώς επίσης και ένα χρυσό νόμισμα της Παμμακεδονικής, το οποίο, στην μια πλευρά, έχει το κεφάλι του Μεγάλου Αλεξάνδρου, και στην άλλη, τον Ήλιο της Βεργίνας, με την επιγραφή της Παμμακεδονικής.

Ε. Σας άκουσε προσεκτικά ο Μπαράκ Ομπάμα, κ. Γκατζούλη;

Α. Τι να σας πω, κ. Παπαντωνίου, πράγματι, με άκουσε με πάρα πολύ μεγάλη προσοχή, αν και μιλούσα πολύ, για να του πω όσα μπορούσα περισσότερα, για το εθνικό μας αυτό θέμα, που μας πονάει όλους μας. Δεν μπορώ να σας περιγράψω την σκηνή .Μέχρι το τέλος, ο Μπαράκ Ομπάμα ήταν κυριολεκτικά προσηλωμένος στα όσα του έλεγα. Όταν είδε πως μακρηγορούσα, στο τέλος με διέκοψε. Αλλά, πρέπει να σας πω, ότι έφυγα πάρα πολύ ικανοποιημένη, διότι αυτά που ήθελα να πω ,του τα είπα.

Ε. Και τι απάντησε, κ. Γκατζούλη, ο Μπαράκ Ομπάμα, σέ όλα αυτά, που του αναπτύξατε;

Α. Με όλη εκείνη την ευθύτητα την ευφράδεια, και την ειλικρίνεια που τον διακρίνουν, μου είπε «Εσείς γνωρίζετε πολύ καλά πόσο σας υποστηρίζω σ’ αυτήν την υπόθεση! Σας είμαι ευγνώμων για όσα μου είπατε και μου προσφέρατε. Και σας ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ! Και επαναλαμβάνω, πως υποστηρίζω το θέμα σας!» Εκείνο δε που με προξένησε μεγάλη εντύπωση, κ. Παπαντωνίου, ήταν, πως, όταν τελείωσε η εκδήλωση και ο κόσμος τον αποχαιρετούσε, τον πλησίασα και εγώ, αλλά όχι ακριβώς μπροστά. Ήμουνα λίγο πίσω. Και ενώ μιλούσε σε κάποια Κυρία, ο κ. Ομπάμα με είδε, άπλωσε ολόκαρδα το χέρι του, ανταλλάξαμε θερμή χειραψία, και μου είπε «Να μην ανησυχείτε!!». Συγκινήθηκα πάρα πολύ, γιατί διαπίστωσα , ότι όντως ο άνθρωπος άκουσε πολύ προσεκτικά τα όσα του είπα. Έφυγα πάρα πολύ ευχαριστημένη από την εκδήλωση. Πρόκειται για άνθρωπο πανέξυπνο, ευγενή, τίμιο και διορατικό. Πρέπει να σα πω ακόμη, ότι ο Γερουσιαστής Μπαράκ Ομπάμα είναι ένας από τους πρώτους, που έχει προσυπογράψει το Ψήφισμα S300 της Αμερικανικής Γερουσίας για τις διαφορές Ελλάδας-Σκοπίων.

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The Birth of a Clone State

2008-10-01T01:47:00.000-07:00

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Ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος είναι Μακεδόνας, με τον ίδιο ακριβώς τρόπο που ο Μέγας Αλφρέδος είναι Ουεσσεξιανός

2008-09-30T00:05:00.000-07:00

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Η ‘Νοητική Αντίστασις’ στις 25 Σεπτεμβρίου 2008, μαζί με πολλούς άλλους ιστοτόπους, κάλεσε τους αναγνώστες της, να στείλουν μηνύματα διαμαρτυρίας στο βρετανικό κανάλι Challege TV, σχετικά με το τηλεπαιχνίδι ‘Take it or Leave It’ (με παρουσιαστή τον Richard Arnold).

Σε εκπομπή του 2006, στο εν λόγω τηλεπαιχνίδι, παρουσιάζεται η ερώτηση «Τι εθνικότητας ήταν ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος». Ενώ οι παίκτες απαντούν, πολύ σωστά, «Έλληνας», η απάντηση θεωρείται λανθασμένη και ως σωστή δίδεται η απάντηση «Μακεδόνας», παρουσιάζοντας μάλιστα και την σημαία της Βαρδαρίας (πΓΔM) !

Μαζί με τους αναγνώστες μας, είχαμε στείλει και εμείς δικές μας επιστολές διαμαρτυρίας στο εν λόγω κανάλι. Οι απάντηση που λάβαμε ήταν η γνωστή, τυποποιημένη, διπλωματική απάντηση που έλαβαν όλοι όσοι διαμαρτυρήθηκαν. Η επίσημη απάντηση του καναλιού έχει ως εξής:

Thank you for your patience while we’ve looked into all of this. The clip on YouTube is from an episode of Take It Or Leave It from over two years ago. We want you to understand that we do not want to take sides in any international disagreement – contrary to lots of the opinions that have been put to us via email and in the web forums. To be totally clear: we’re not trying to promote a cause, or stir up any trouble.

We do recognise the importance of conducting quizzes fairly though, which is why we’ve gone back and checked our paperwork. On the question itself, we have looked back at the records, and subject to procedure this was checked with two trusted sources.

However, one of the main issues you’ve raised is the use of the flag of FYROM to illustrate the question and answer. Having heard many of your arguments on this, and having looked into it ourselves, we can see that this was inaccurate, and confusing for the audience.

We unreservedly apologise for any offence that has been caused - that was certainly not our intention.

It is very obvious that this particular question is about ancient history, not modern-day Europe. Using modern day flags is therefore inappropriate, so we’re going to re-edit this particular episode so that the flags are not shown again.

We hope that this goes a long way to addressing people’s concerns, and completely removes any suggestion that we’re making some kind of political statement. We’re sorry to have got this wrong.

Είναι φανερό ότι οι συντελεστές, με άτσαλους νομικισμούς, προσπαθούν να δικαιολογηθούν. Ως ανταπάντηση, λοιπόν, στην πιο πάνω υπεκφυγή, στείλαμε στις 26 Σεπτεμβρίου 2008 το πιο κάτω μήνυμα:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your reply. But I believe your answer is not a real apology, or an attempt to correct your mistake whatsoever. With all due respect, but I consider it a rather amateur legalistic attempt to evade the issue.

You say: “On the question itself, we have looked back at the records, and subject to procedure this was checked with two trusted sources.”

This is highly problematic. Who are your “two trusted sources”? This is not a police inquiry, where you have “two trusted sources/informants” that report to you on a particular issue. We are talking here about something that happened publicly, and the video is available and on the public domain.

I understand and I respect your good will, but the issue is of immense importance, it penetrates into sensitive political issues and the relations of two states, and has to do with world history, and it’s not a matter of “two trusted sources”.

There are myriads of sources of every type and kind you can imagine (cultural, ethnological, historical, political, sociological, archaeological and so on) that prove without the slightest doubt that Alexander the Great was a Macedonian Greek.

As an initial “mega-source”, we can direct you to this pdf file (http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/3303da4a-7394-40bc-9af2-d0479da8f3a8/) which is comprised of 1250 pages with scholarly articles and trusted PUBLIC sources that prove our argument.

And here are several ancient sources that confirm, without any doubt whatsoever, the Greeknesss of the Macedonian Alexander: http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2006/10/18/greek-ancestry-of-alexander-the-great/. Did your “two trusted sources” take into consideration any of the above evidence?

By apologizing for the flag of FYROM is not enough. Because, yes, at that time neither FYROM nor Greece existed in the form of state that they exist today.

But this does not change the fact that Alexander the Great was Greek, from Macedonia. In the same fashion, England did not exist as a modern nation-state in 800-900 AD either, but this didn’t stop Alfred the Great, King of Wessex to liberate the English people from Viking occupation.

Therefore, I ask you, in the same fashion that you asked the players: What nationality was King Alfred the Great? English or Wessexian?
Which is the correct answer? Does that answer negate the other?

Thanks in advance.

Μέχρι στιγμής οι υπεύθυνοι του καναλιού δεν έχουν ανταποκριθεί. Καλούμε όλους τους αναγνώστες της ‘Νοητικής Αντίστασεως’, όπως και άλλα ιστολόγια και ιστοσελίδες, όπως στείλουν και αυτοί με την σειρά τους την πιο πάνω επιστολή ως ανταπάντηση στο κανάλι (takeitorleaveit@tigeraspect.co.uk , general@tigeraspect.co.uk), να την αναρτήσουν στους διάφορους χώρους ανταλλαγής απόψεων (φόρουμς, ιστολόγια, κλπ), και να την προωθήσουν και σε άλλους για να πράξουν ανάλογα. Θεωρούμε ότι το συμβάν είναι πολύ σοβαρό και πρέπει να συνεχιστούν οι διαμαρτυρίες.

Είναι μια καλή ευκαιρία να γίνουν γνωστές οι θέσεις των Ελλήνων (και όχι του κράτους της “Ελλάδας”) για την Μακεδονία σε όλο τον κόσμο.

Επίσης συνιστούμε όπως προωθήσετε άλλη ανάρτηση του αποσπάσματος του τηλεπαιγνιδιού, διότι η γνωστή ανάρτηση που είδαμε όλοι μας στο YouTube αναρτήθηκε από Βαρδάριους (Σκοπιανούς), και περιέχει έντονη αλυτρωτική προπαγάνδα των Σκοπίων.

Δεν υπάρχει κανένας λόγος να προωθούμε την προπαγάνδα τους, και γι’ αυτό έχουμε αναρτήσει ξανά το απόσπασμα, με δικά μας σχόλια στο περιθώριο (“more info”), όσο και δικά μας “annotations” μέσα στο βίντεο. Δείτε την:

Διεύθυνση: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgAxEeibJ8E

Μην καθυστερείτε λοιπόν.

Στείλετε την ανταπάντησή σας στους κυρίους του καναλιού. Όχι τίποτα άλλο, αλλά για να δούμε αν οι κύριοι αυτοί είναι το ίδιο χοντρόπετσοι, αδιάφοροι, κυνικοί και είρωνες για την δική τους πατρίδα, την δική τους ιστορία, την δική τους ταυτότητα και τον δικό τους Μέγα Αλφρέδο, όσο είναι για τον δικό μας Μέγα Αλέξανδρο.

Θα επανέλθουμε δυναμικά επί του θέματος.

Rare English map of 1829 shows Skopje Out of Macedonia

2008-09-29T03:04:00.000-07:00

In this rare British Edition Map of Greece from 1829, the whole of Macedonia is in Greece proper and considered a Greek province.

Also notice that all the names of cities in Macedonia are Greek. Skopje (Scupi) is outside of the territory of Macedonia and is in Dardania Propria.

From the book: ‘Macedonia, The Macedonia Struggle, Greece-Macedonia 4000 Years’ by Konstantinos Douflias, Aegean Publications, 1992, page 11.

History Of Macedonia:http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/

«Τα Σκόπια έτοιμα να αλλάξουν όνομα»

2008-09-29T01:46:00.000-07:00

Το θεμα ειναι απο το: ANTI WEBLOG

Σε άρθρο της με τίτλο «η κυβέρνηση των Σκοπίων τείνει το χέρι στην Ελλάδα» και υπότιτλο «έτοιμοι για συμφωνία για την αλλαγή του ονόματος» η ιταλική εφημερίδα Corriere Della Sera (Κορριέρε Ντέλλα Σέρα), αναφέρεται στην υπόθεση του ονόματος της ΠΓΔΜ και στις πιθανότητες λύσης της διαφοράς με την Ελλάδα.

Όπως υποστηρίζει η εφημερίδα στα Σκόπια αντιλαμβάνονται πλέον ότι το ζήτημα της ονομασίας τους αποτελεί τροχοπέδη για την χώρα και έτσι για πρώτη φορά δέχονται να αναβαπτισθούν ξεχνώντας τόσο το FYROM, όσο και το «Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας».

Η εφημερίδα κάνει επίσης ιδιαίτερη αναφορά σε όσα είπε στην ομιλία του στον ΟΗΕ την Πέμπτη ο πρόεδρος των Σκοπίων Τσερβενκόφσκι και τα θεωρεί «ένα μικρό βήμα, αλλά βήμα». Μεταξύ άλλων ο κ. Τσερβενκόφσκι είπε: «Είμαστε έτοιμοι για έναν έντιμο συμβιβασμό με την Ελλάδα», εφόσον δεν θα προσβάλει την «εθνική και πολιτιστική μας ταυτότητα».

Σύμφωνα με την Corriere Della Sera ως λύση αποκλείονται καταρχήν το «Σλαβομακεδονία» («θα ενοχλούσε τους Αλβανούς»), το «Pirin Macedonia» («φιλοβουλγαρικό») και το «Vardar» (πριν από τον Τίτο).

Ως πιθανότερες λύσεις αναφέρονται το «Νέα Μακεδονία» και το «Μακεδονία του Βορρά». Κι αυτό επειδή, όπως εξηγεί η ιταλική εφημερίδα, με μια από αυτές τις ονομασίες, τα Σκόπια θα μπορούσαν να διατηρήσουν το όνομα που προτιμούν, ενώ η Αθήνα θα ήταν κι αυτή ικανοποιημένη επειδή έτσι θα ξεκαθαριζόταν ότι «η πρώτη η μεγάλη Μακεδονία είναι η περιοχή όπου ζουν οι Έλληνες της Θεσσαλονίκης» («… la precisazione che la prima, antica, grande Macedonia è la regione dove vivono i greci di Salonicco» στο κείμενο)

Επισημαίνουμε ότι μέσα στον Οκτώβριο αναμένεται να καταθέσει την τελική πρότασή του ο Μάθιου Νίμιτς

Διαβάστε το κείμενο της ιταλικής εφημερίδας εδώ: http://rassegna.governo.it/testo.asp?d=32517235

Aνθελληνικα βιντεο στο Youtube

2008-09-28T22:53:00.000-07:00

Ευχαριστουμε για το e-mail τον φιλο KARATHEODORI

Σύνδεσμος: http://gkaratheodoris.blogspot.com/2008/09/o-karatheodoris-flag.html

Εδώ και τρεις μήνες περίπου ο Karatheodoris μαζί με άλλους πατριώτες ξεκίνησε μια προσπάθεια εξάλειψης υβριστικών για την πατρίδα video στο youtube.

Έχουμε δημιουργήσει ένα playlist με Αnti-greek videos που όλο και αυξάνονται κι ένα ακόμη για τους αδελφούς Σέρβους (anti-Serb). Στα playlists συγκεντρώνονται όλα τα video που έχουν στόχο να συκοφαντήσουν την πατρίδα μας και να προκαλέσουν το πατριωτικό μας αίσθημα. Την τιμητική τους έχουν οι Σκοπιανοί (επαγγελματίες πια του είδους) ενώ Τούρκοι και Αλβανοί ακολουθούν.Το ευχαριστο είναι ότι κάθε δύο περίπου εβδομάδες "ρίχνουμε" 10 βίντεο. Το κακό είναι ότι εμφανίζονται άλλα 20.

Ο Karatheodoris όμως δεν το βάζει κάτω. Με 850 ενεργούς φίλους και την συμπαράσταση πολλών πατριωτών συνεχίζει δυνατά.Σ' αυτή την προσπάθεια όλοι οι πατριώτες, που θέλουν να λέγονται ενεργοί, θα πρέπει να συμβάλλουν. Τίποτα δεν είναι μάταιο. Όλοι γνωρίζετε ποια είναι η κατάσταση στο ΥΠΕΞ.

Είμαστε ανοχύρωτοι και θα πρέπει να αντισταθούμε με όπλο την υπομονή, την επιμονή και το θράσος. Ενημερώστε τον KARATHEODORI για κάθε νέο βίντεο υβριστικού περιεχομένου και διαστρέβλωσης της ελληνικής ιστορίας και κάνετε flag τα video που βρίσκονται στο playlist.

ΚΑΛΩ ΛΟΙΠΟΝ ΟΛΟΥΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΑΤΡΙΩΤΕΣ ΝΑ ΕΝΕΡΓΟΠΟΙΗΘΟΥΝ!!! FLAG= ΧΤΥΠΗΜΑ ΣΤΟΝ ΕΧΘΡΟ.

Γιατί οι Έλληνες ξέρουν πάντα στο τέλος να κερδίζουν!